This Week in WordPress #382

[00:00:03] Nathan Wrigley: It's time for This Week in WordPress, episode number 382 entitled, I only do puns on porpoise. It was recorded on Monday the 3rd of August, 2026. My name's Nathan Wrigley, and today I'm joined by my co-host, Michelle Frechette and guests Alex Standford and Cami MacNamara.

It is a WordPress podcast, and so we spend quite a lot of time talking about WordPress, of course, but before that, we spend a bit of time talking about marketing.

Cami brings a few stories to bear all in the marketing space, and gives us ideas for how we can sink and not swim in what feels like choppy waters in the WordPress space at the moment.

And then we are onto more WordPress specific things. We talk about 7.1 and the source of truth document.

We talk about a new initiative being run called AAArdvark with three A's. It's going to be a community to help people with their accessibility needs.

We talk a little bit about the new minn admin, which is being created by Austin Ginder with a load of help from AI to revamp and revitalise the WordPress admin. It looks like a really nice project.

We then talk about WordCamps and why you may or may not attend. That's informed by a story which we bring to bear from WordCamp India.

Then WordPress educational Initiatives come under the spotlight and we talk about their recent success. And yes, it really does look like success.

Then we are onto some tools and some new plugins. One of them connects to Bricks and Elementor to help you, and your clients, figure out whether the site is what they want.

And then Desktop Mode gets me rather excited and you will be able to detect why. It's such an interesting idea.

And then some erata at the end. And that's what we've got for you this time around. I hope that you enjoy it. It's all coming up next on This Week in WordPress.

There's a surprise that actually worked out, that actually worked out. I have no idea what's going on in this platform. You have little icons, little thumbnail images of the video that you intend to play, and none of them match what they're supposed to play. So that's why we got that weird video at the beginning.

So apologies about that, but I found the right one by accident in the end. So we're, all good. Here. We are episode number 382 of this week in WordPress. We do this every week, unless, I'm holiday or not very well, or something like that. And, and it's been going, what would that be? That's getting on for six years or something, I think, gosh, yeah, a long time. And, I can never do it by myself. I could do it by myself, but all it would be so bad. So I'm joined by people to help make the whole thing more pleasurable. And, each week we're joined by two or three fabulous guests, and this week you can see them surrounding me.

Let's start over there. with Michelle Frache. How you doing Michelle? Thanks for joining us.

[00:03:12] Michelle Frechette: I'm doing quite well. Thank you very much.

[00:03:15] Nathan Wrigley: I'm glad to hear it. Michelle Frache is the Executive Director of Post Status. She also is the podcast barista at WP Coffee Talk. Co-founder of Underrepresented in Tech, creator of WP Speakers, WP Career pages, and co-founder of Sponsor me, WP Speed Network online.

She likes to write, she's an influencer and a frequent organiser and speaker at WordPress and tech events. She lives outside of Rochester, New York, where she likes to take Photogra photography, likes to take photographs, of nature. And if you want the one U rl, which sums Michelle up, it's Meet michelle.online.

Thank you. Thank you once again. Appreciate it. Okay, let's go there. Let's camie let Hello Camie.

[00:04:01] Cami MacNamara: Good morning.

[00:04:03] Nathan Wrigley: Indeed. It's brutal O clock where, its okay.

[00:04:07] Cami MacNamara: I just realised I don't, I didn't put my headphones on. It's all good. And it's because I woke up at four 50, so I could, I,

[00:04:16] Nathan Wrigley: I'm detecting no sort of feedback or anything like that.

[00:04:19] Cami MacNamara: Okay, good.

[00:04:19] Nathan Wrigley: You're in good shape. Yeah, you sound absolutely great. Yeah, I think it's just about seven minutes past six at the moment when I come here in the

[00:04:26] Cami MacNamara: morning. Yeah, it's, and the li light, it's light comes in pretty early here, Uhhuh, so I know

[00:04:32] Nathan Wrigley: you're

[00:04:33] Michelle Frechette: gonna

[00:04:33] Cami MacNamara: watch the

[00:04:33] Michelle Frechette: sunrise.

[00:04:34] Nathan Wrigley: yeah.

[00:04:35] Cami MacNamara: I'll wake up soon. I have lots of caffeine on,

[00:04:38] Nathan Wrigley: on my

[00:04:38] Cami MacNamara: desk.

[00:04:38] Nathan Wrigley: That's the way to do it. yeah. You'll become more animated as the episode goes on. Yeah, that's

[00:04:44] Cami MacNamara: right. That's right.

[00:04:45] Nathan Wrigley: So let's introduce Camie. So Kami McNamara, also known as Web Camie with an I not a y has been running Webc Cammy, LLC for 24 years.

Blamy it Camie. Congratulations. I know. It's a long time. Yeah, isn't it? That's amazing. Working with small businesses and nonprofits on WordPress and Squarespace websites in Seattle, Washington. After more than two decades in business, she shares what she's learned through the Web Designer Habits Newsletter.

Alongside doing the Webc Cammy podcast and Webc Cammy YouTube channel. Her content focuses on simple habits, better client processes, and the day-to-day reality of running a small web design business. If you want the URL, it is web designer habits.com, web designer habits, and also being sported underneath Cammie's name on the screen as well.

So thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. And last, but by no means happy. Oh, I'm glad to hear it. Yeah, appreciate that. last but by no means least I can see you're in the Google Doc. I'm amending your bio. I don't,

[00:05:46] Alex Standiford: that's right. I got, I'm not, I was just, making sure it's there.

[00:05:50] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, it is definitely there. It's Alex Sanderford. Hello, Alex.

[00:05:53] Alex Standiford: Hey. How's it going?

[00:05:54] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, Alec, look. if you can see the screen a Oh, look at that. Oh, it's super pro, Alex.

[00:06:01] Alex Standiford: Thanks. What the heck. Thanks. Yeah. I had to, make up for the fact that I am always late for every podcast ever by having a halfway decent background.

[00:06:08] Nathan Wrigley: Seriously. That looks really, nice. I'm not just saying that you, there is just something, I know it's got like an old like library vibe to it. I dunno if that's what you were going for, but that's what picking off for every

[00:06:21] Alex Standiford: single side. Everything on the shelf has a reason for being there too.

[00:06:25] Nathan Wrigley: It's all, oh, okay. It looks like something from the 18 hundreds, like a miscellaneous selection of things like telescopes and bookends, and

[00:06:35] Michelle Frechette: it looks like things you'd find in the ocean.

[00:06:38] Alex Standiford: Yeah.

[00:06:38] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, about that. Oh, very good.

[00:06:41] Alex Standiford: It's all, semi nautical themed, obviously.

[00:06:43] Nathan Wrigley: Of course it is.

[00:06:43] Alex Standiford: Siren.

Chris Siren. Notorious

[00:06:45] Nathan Wrigley: Siren. Yeah, I went to see the Odyssey last week, by the way. And, highly recommend it. The siren actually is just more, is glossed over. They don't do a lot on that. Yeah. The, yeah,

but the film itself is pretty cool. Anyway, I think a

[00:06:59] Alex Standiford: copy of it's on the bookshelf.

[00:07:00] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, great. Here. Excellent. Jeff. No, listen.

[00:07:03] Alex Standiford: Funny

[00:07:03] Nathan Wrigley: enough. Yay. Alex Standerford is a longtime WordPress developer and the founder of Siren. Don't ask him what it does because it gives him an existential crisis time. He tries to answer that directly. Alex is a longtime WordPress community member, spends his time thinking about open source partner marketing and how to run a simple family hobby into a fully research procurement operation.

He runs Linux. You do you run Oh, you mean you have Linux running?

[00:07:34] Alex Standiford: No, I literally am running it. I'm on a treadmill right now, keeping my jeans running.

[00:07:38] Nathan Wrigley: I'll read that again. He runs Linux owns two miniature, I don't even know what that is. Bernie Doodle. Is that Yeah, it's like that

[00:07:44] Alex Standiford: Bernie mix.

[00:07:45] Nathan Wrigley: Okay.

Bernie Doodle poppies because apparently one puppy wasn't in off chaos. I would love a poppy, but I would love it to remain a poppy. and he's also built an ex external digital brain because internal one had too many tabs open. You should go. You should go and check out the episode I did with Alex.

Actually, it genuinely was really interesting. If you've got like your tendrils into AI a little bit, I reckon it's fair to say you probably don't have yet tendrils in as far as Alex does.

[00:08:17] Alex Standiford: Yeah.

[00:08:18] Nathan Wrigley: it's pretty profound. and it woke me up to what was possible. I didn't even know. Oh, and he is gone. He's click refresh.

[00:08:27] Alex Standiford: Oh no.

[00:08:27] Nathan Wrigley: Oops. I didn't even know any of that was possible. Let's hope his tech comes back. If he does, I'll let him back in. But, anyway, there we go. 382. Thanks for joining us. Few bit quick bits of housekeeping if that's all right with you. the first thing to say is the easiest place to access what we do is on our live page, which is that wp build.com/live.

If you go over there, we've got YouTube comments on the right, but also if you don't like, if you don't have a Google account, there's a box inside the video player. Mark live chat. And you can use that basically, unless you're using YouTube comments or that live chat facility, I won't see them, they don't get sucked into this platform.

So I always have a little poke around and occasionally we get a comment somewhere else and I always feel pretty bad, that we didn't raise it on the screen or whatever, but I can't, I just can't keep track of the seven or eight platforms that this goes out on. So apologies about that. But go there, go to wp builds.com/live and he's back.

I dunno, what happened there, but, I stopped running.

Yeah, Linux went down. The whole kernel collapsed.

[00:09:36] Alex Standiford: Yeah,

[00:09:37] Nathan Wrigley: a good run. But anyway, there we go. go to that URL and as always, the whole episode is so much more pleasurable when we get people dropping in live. Love it when you come in live.

Absolutely love it. And here we go. Here's a few people. So Imran from the uk, it says I need to record a video for tomorrow. And I just created the most amazing new tool. But first. I'll wait until my weekly dose of WP builds first. Put it on in the background in Rock. I've muted in the background. You free ad WP builds.

no, don't do that. good morning from Rockville md. I don't recognise that. Handle Gem Query. I think that says, I'm sorry. Elliot. Elliot. Stay tuned. Well done by the way. if you dunno what that means, Elliot, you'll find out in a little while. And Lana's joining us as well. God people from all over the place.

This is lovely. And Courtney as well. Alex, what's going on with Alex? But he's gone again. Second Brain is so helpful. Yeah, I agree. And do you know what Alex has done, Courtney? Because if you haven't go and check out the podcast. Truly freaky the amount that he's done. It's really rather incredible.

So go check that out, Last couple. Let's go for these ones. So it's, Elliot Richmond. Hi Elliot. Like your video, with, oh, Ryan Welcher. That was nice. currently sweltering in 32 Degrees Office. It's 19 where I am. it's nothing like that. I'm sorry to hear that. good day friends. And we've got Ann Vallet saying hello as well.

Okay, let's get onto the word pressy, bits and pieces. And then if Alex comes, will try. There he is. he's back. Can I just say Tuck and

[00:11:28] Michelle Frechette: dragged him away?

[00:11:30] Nathan Wrigley: I think it would be hysterical where it actually, I dunno. I don't know why I happening throughout the show. Yeah,

[00:11:36] Alex Standiford: I don't know why he's doing that.

[00:11:38] Nathan Wrigley: are you in a chromium browser? 'cause I know you've got a, for like all open sourcey things and maybe it's Firefox. Firefox is so unreliable with this platform. So

[00:11:47] Alex Standiford: for what it's, it was funny is I'm actually running this on a MacBook because Oh. Of the issues that I was running into with

[00:11:53] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.

[00:11:53] Alex Standiford: Linux anyway,

[00:11:54] Nathan Wrigley: hopefully, sorry, I don't know.

Go back to Linux quick. It's where you belong. Okay. So a couple of bits of self promotion, one of them slightly weird. so I normally mention this one. This is our website, wp builds.com. we post the latest episodes at the top here, so you can see that I did an episode with, Anne McCarthy, who's the release lead for 7.1 and big at Powerly Hack, who's from the Gutenberg Times and Gutenberg Change log.

And we talked about what's coming in 7.1 and it was really very interesting. So go and check that out if you like the archives, they're all here and here in this archives menu. Gotta look at those. But if you wanna put your email address into there, we'll send you a couple of emails each week.

That's basically all that we'll do. No, no spam, just the content that comes out of this episode. And the podcast episode that's coming up on Thursday. and then, okay, so this is the weird bit. I have got, I say I like, it's just me. It's not just me. a very dear friend of mine. Dan, maybe, has been working very hard in the background and I've been just basically telling him what to do.

he's cleverer than I am by a, a country mile. And so he's been enacting upon it. And together we've built a, podcast platform and I won't give you a lot of detail about it 'cause I, don't know what's gonna land and what's not gonna land, but basically it does a tom. and if you've got any intuition of running a podcast or you think that you might be into running a podcast at any point, you should check it out.

We're gonna have some interesting launch pricing, let's just put it that way. and I am mentioning this as, as just a way really of we want to get some founding partners on board who will give us feedback really, what's working, what's not working, and what have you. and I'm using my personal website, nathan wrigley.com and then podcast app interest.

So it's nathan wrigley.com/podcast app interest. And there's only one mandatory field you've gotta put your email address in. That's all I want from you and we'll be in touch. and it's pretty cool. And we're a few weeks out. I'm not one for hyperbole really on the whole, but I actually think we've got something pretty good.

Alex has had a look. Haven't I think Alec, you've had a look, haven't you Alex?

[00:14:25] Alex Standiford: I did. Yeah, I did. Yeah, it's too, it looks really cool. I signed out, I filled out the form too 'cause I was like,

[00:14:29] Nathan Wrigley: I saw that. Sorry, Michelle, I'd forgotten. I've forgotten who I've showed it to. In all honesty,

[00:14:33] Michelle Frechette: I think I filled out the form, didn't

[00:14:34] Nathan Wrigley: I?

Yeah, you probably, and so did ami. Oh, you're all so great. You're all, you're all my best friends. but if you want to, if you wanna be alerted and I, don't know what it means yet 'cause we haven't even worked that bit out, but you'll definitely get in on the beginning foot and if you want to take, take the sort of founding pricing that will be available, that would help us out.

We are doing it a bit like a Kickstarter in that we're, I think we want a bunch of founding partners to jump on board to help us steer the project. it's built, it's like fully ready to go. We're just bug testing it. So in that sense, it's not like a Kickstarter 'cause you're not funding development.

The development's already happened. But what we do wanna do is onboard a bunch of people who, who would give us advice and give us tips. And, so once again, it's for podcasters really. And it's Nathan wrigley.com/podcast. Appen interest. Go check it out. Sorry for the promotional bit.

[00:15:35] Alex Standiford: I did the same strategy as this whenever I launched Siren.

And it Oh, nice. It was really great. 'cause I had, yeah, several people. Giving me initial feedback and stuff like that. So it's, yeah, it's a really great way to handle it.

[00:15:46] Nathan Wrigley: and but what's weird for me and what I've always found difficult is I've built this thing, this WP building, and obviously it's wp, it's all WordPress.

I always feel a bit weird smuggling non-word pressy stuff in, but then I think, It's adjacent.

Yeah, it is. It's very adjacent. Yeah. Yeah. And we've got a WordPress plugin and all sorts that will help you make a podcast on a WordPress website. Actually, you're right, Michelle. Forget that. It's fine.

It's totally all right. so go check it out. But anyway, Nathan's, go on. Nathan's

[00:16:18] Alex Standiford: like apologising for promoting something after doing a podcast for six years. I,

[00:16:22] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, I'm, yeah, you're right. I've gotta get over, I really have to get over that. I'm not very good at marketing as you, can tell.

anyway, there we go. moving on. What we do each week is in some shared show notes, we offer the, the guests the opportunity to, to drop in some articles that they perhaps thought were interesting over the week. And, this week Cammy's dropped a bunch in. I think there's a bit of a theme going on here in terms of marketing and things like that, but I'll do them in the, order that you drop them into the Google Doc, if that's all right, Kami.

and I'll let you take the lead on them if you want. Okay. I'll just introduce them. Here's the repository. so this is Ray, and it's called Jamie Maslin, among educators leading Word Camp US 2026 beginner workshops. What have you got for us Cammi?

[00:17:10] Cami MacNamara: I, this took me back to when I went to my first word camps and here in Seattle.

And we used to have workshops at our word camps. And as a new web designer, I found them, or new WordPress web designer. I found them incredibly helpful. And I'm not attending this year's, word camp us, but I'm very excited for the new people that are going to attend because this is just a really great way to get some hands on, learning.

Like just to learn things while you're there. That's a little deeper than having a talk, right? So I was excited to see this. and I think it's a great tool. I remember back in like 2017, I attended a workshop that Jennifer Bourne did at Word Camp Seattle, and it's, oh yeah, I still learned, I still use things I learned from that talk and that word, that workshop, it was just a really good setup.

So I think this is a great move.

[00:18:10] Nathan Wrigley: I am. I'm gonna just quickly flip, although we'll come back to it later probably, and I'm just trying to see if I can find the right piece. It's towards the end here. Where's it gone? No, no, apologies for this. Yeah, so this one, which we won't go into now is entitled Why It took me 16 years to contribute to WordPress.

And one of the things that came out of this piece, which I said again we'll get into in a bit, is just that whole imposter syndrome thing of showing up and not really knowing what your place is and where you fit into the jigsaw puzzle. And so I think if you can drop in and your intention, your whole intention for one day is just to go and learn how to use WordPress, that kind of gets you outta jail free, doesn't it?

You've got a purpose. You've gone there to do this thing. You don't necessarily have to do anything else apart from that. You don't have to feel that you've got to be a developer or Right. Any of that.

[00:19:06] Cami MacNamara: You meet other people at your level Yep. Yeah. Of learning. Yep. And so I think it's a, I think that's exciting.

[00:19:12] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. So also, there's a few nice little things in here, which I didn't know about. So anyway, it's called the beginning 1 0 1, sorry, the beginning. WP 1 0 1 Track. Jamie's doing one, but then there's some other people doing it. And I am so bad at names Kaar, Qatar, Zena, Raker, and Christina Hills and Steven Ryan, they're all doing, their own thing as well.

And if you go, you can claim a free domain and a year of hosting courtesy of Automatic, who apparently check this out. they've pledged $500 million worth of hosting over the next five years to support open source learning. you can get free domain and, and a year of hosting if you show up and presumably get, I don't know, maybe there's, you've gotta get through the day or something like that.

Yeah. yeah.

[00:20:06] Alex Standiford: You think they could get me alex.com?

[00:20:08] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, if they, that'd be so nice. That would be, have you tried to get alex.com? it's so much worse than that. I have a monitor set up. Yep. That basically just says, if this ever goes free and it's less than this, just buy it now,

it's gonna go free in the year 3008 or something like that.

Yeah. My great

[00:20:26] Alex Standiford: grandson is gonna get it. He's,

[00:20:28] Nathan Wrigley: what is the domain actually be for milliseconds. I've got one of those services as well, I can't remember what they're called. Domain catcher or something like that. Yeah.

[00:20:35] Alex Standiford: I don't

[00:20:35] Nathan Wrigley: even

[00:20:35] Alex Standiford: know.

[00:20:36] Nathan Wrigley: I've actually succeeded with one of those in the past, but it turned out I've never wanted the domain anyway, so I got it.

And then as soon as I got it, I realised I'd forgotten to switch it off when the project that I was going for, but they capture it in I don't know, it's one millisecond or something, don't they? They're constantly quick. Just, yeah. Pretty quick.

[00:20:54] Alex Standiford: Yeah.

[00:20:55] Nathan Wrigley: okay, so there was our first piece courtesy of, oh, sorry.

Alex and Michelle, was there anything you wanted to add about that? WordPress,

[00:21:03] Alex Standiford: the, I'm excited, the only thing for me is, like Cam, we mentioned people at your level is a big thing. I think about how many people that I met at WordCamp that was just getting started in WordPress and then, I met them over several word camps over the years, and all of a sudden one day that person who was just getting started in WordPress suddenly is, like some vice president at some company.

And it just, it happens, it takes time, but it happens and all of a sudden you're able to have conversations with the people that you're probably wanting to have conversations with, Sorry.

[00:21:39] Michelle Frechette: It took me a few years too. So it wasn't until, I was in Nashville for Word Camp US the second time in Nashville that I was like, I'm here on Sunday.

I may as well, start to, contribute. And I was terrified and I'd been part of WordPress for a while by then. yeah. So I, this morning by Ko coincidence who was editing a podcast episode, which is gonna go out on the tavern on Wednesday, and it's by, a Costa Rican lady called Priscilla. And she, she was talking about exactly this thing about that whole thing about turning up to WordPress and having that imposter syndrome.

[00:22:15] Nathan Wrigley: And honestly, the level it's at you, it's so easy to forget how intimidating tech is. but you, all four of us are in it every day, right? and we know that things can't break, or at least if we break them, there's usually a recycled or an undo button, or it's not actually broken. You just think it's broken.

But she was really strongly making the point that, and she runs this, this service, which is like a mixture of counselling and tech teaching. And there are people for whom getting over the idea of installing a plugin, that is a massive win for them. they've installed a plugin that was something that they thought was impossible.

And the realm of developers, I know that sounds weird right to the audience of this, but she just kept just hammering on that point. WordPress is really intimidating if you come to it for the first time. It's hard. The community, whilst we think it's very open, if you go and stand in the back and you are very shy, you might stand at the back for the whole day and never get spoken to.

That is plausible. and yeah, I think things like this, getting back to the piece at hand that Cammy brought to bear,

[00:23:29] Michelle Frechette: except it's not, it's not about not knowing the tech, it's about looking stupid in front of your peers.

At least that's what it was for me, right? I'm gonna sit down at a table and they're gonna look at me like, I thought you understood WordPress.

[00:23:42] Nathan Wrigley: Yep.

[00:23:42] Michelle Frechette: Yeah.

[00:23:43] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I agree. anyway, there you go. So Jamie's gonna be doing one and it sounds like there'll be various others as well. Okay. So we'll move on and do the other ones that Cammie's brought to bear and they, follow our theme. They're mainly to do with, marketing, but we'll start here.

This is Spark Toro and, I think that's, is that Rand? Rand Fishkin? Rand Fishkin.

Uhhuh. and this one's called Seven Reasons Every Marketing Team Could Monitor brand Mentions. I dunno if you want to go through all of these in the same, all the, I

[00:24:15] Cami MacNamara: can do the, yeah, I can do this really quick Uhhuh.

I, I thought I'd focus on people I know in the Seattle area. partially, but I've noticed a lot on, in my own Facebook group and in, the admin bar. People are really nervous about business right now. And so this I thought was a good tip to monitor what people are saying about you, and your business online, outside of just reviews.

so there's a free account that you can set up. It's something that Rand has started called Alert Mouse, and it will monitor your brand so you can find out what people are saying, correct it, that type of thing. Okay. And so I think as business owners we're all, as web design business owners, we're all concerned about, our clients' businesses, but we don't really think about our business as much in, in a time when.

it feels like things are falling back a little bit in terms of inquiries, or at least that's what I'm seeing online. this is just another way to make sure that your brand is being mentioned properly out there. Okay.

[00:25:28] Nathan Wrigley: So Alert Mouse, is the takeaway from that.

[00:25:31] Cami MacNamara: And you can sign up for a free account and it'll monitor your brand.

Nice. and Rand Fishkin is great to follow online. He has lots of good tips.

[00:25:39] Nathan Wrigley: He is, he's everywhere. All he's one of these people that, even though I don't follow him, he somehow managed to get in, manages

[00:25:45] Cami MacNamara: to,

[00:25:45] Nathan Wrigley: into all my social feeds, which tells me he's doing something right. he was the founder of, of, SEO Moz.

[00:25:53] Cami MacNamara: That's right. yeah.

[00:25:54] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. He's got a lot of, he's got a lot of a track record, hasn't he? That's for sure. Yeah. Okay. And

[00:25:59] Cami MacNamara: so the next one is a friend of mine here in Seattle, Kane Jameson of Content Harmony. And a fun fact, I went to my first word camp to watch him speak because we were in a business group together.

And, so anyway, he's just talking about your newsletter, and I wanted to remind web designers that your own newsletter, outreach to your customers is one of the best ways to get new business. I offered an AI summer camp to my clients, and just offered a free 15 minute meeting to talk to them about AI and how they might use it to write blog posts and things like that.

And this is a really good just reminder of, dip back into the, go to the clients who know you and make sure you're putting yourself in front of them.

[00:26:51] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Yeah. So many tools out there as well. I, I use a WordPress plugin called Newsletter Glue, which I highly recommend. Yeah. I think the pricing has gone fairly astronomical since I bought it from Leslie Sim.

She sold it, the pricing's gone up, but it's really, it's a great way of, using a WordPress post to then immediately send a, a variant of a newsletter. but yeah. Thank you.

[00:27:15] Cami MacNamara: Yeah. Just remembering to do that Is important.

[00:27:19] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Okay. Alex, Michelle, anything on that one? Or should we move on to Cami's?

I think last piece, maybe not. I think it's

[00:27:27] Cami MacNamara: the last.

[00:27:28] Alex Standiford: I think related to the, the email marketing and sending follow ups and things like that, this has been a big thing that's been on my mind for my own agency. 'cause I have seen that Cliff, a big drop off of, new clients coming to me looking specifically for WordPress work.

and I think that the big thing that I've been adapting to is exactly what you're talking about, Kami, where I'm having follow up conversations and I'm talking to them about tech. the fact of the matter is right now, the thing that's on a lot of my client's mind is, AI infra and the infrastructure around making that AI work, in the context of their WordPress site and stuff like that.

So it's been really helpful for me just to start having those conversations because that's helping me actually discover in the first place what's even on their mind. I think that whenever Ive been seeing a lot of the stuff in those groups, what I'm seeing a lot of is I don't know what to expect and I don't know what to do and I'm not sure what all this means for my business.

It's changing and it's scary and most of the time the solution is always the same. It's talk to your customers, understand what their problems are because there's new solutions that they have, but that's creating 10 more problems that you probably are Better equipped to solve than ever. And it's just

Reassuring in a lot of ways. 'cause it reminds you like, oh yeah, okay. There's always a bleeding edge that you're probably gonna be on that your customers will never go to.

[00:28:48] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, it's nice sanguine advice, isn't it? That sort of, everything's a bit calm and it might appear, but I think you're right. Both of you, Kami and Alex, it does feel like we're an inflexion point where the fear is real.

and if you do have an email list, why not, be getting out amongst it and telling people what you do. It's, akin to free marketing really, isn't it, All right. Cammi last, oh no. Do we have to, Okay. Go for it.

[00:29:20] Cami MacNamara: Okay. I listen to podcasts all the time, like this one, and I'm thinking about my business all the time, but occasionally you wanna take a break from that.

Good. and this particular podcast with my friend Nathan and my friend Bob, is really enjoyable just to hear them shoot the s about stuff. And it's really, a fun podcast to listen to. I'm also on Channel four with Bob on occasion. Yeah. So it's really a fun thing to do and I just wanted to let everyone know it's okay not to listen all the time to podcasts that you've gotta pay learn from, and the ones that make you laugh are good for your soul.

[00:30:03] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. Good for you. Kamie. I, am like

[00:30:06] Alex Standiford: that.

[00:30:07] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I'm so happy. So we did this thing, this podcast previously, I think we got to 15 episodes or something like that. And then we mothballed it and then Bob brought it back to life and we've recorded two or three, I think now. Yeah. And it's just lovely hanging out with him.

And neither of us have the faintest idea of what we're gonna talk about, except one of us brings a word, a single word. Oh, word. And then we just, one of us announces it, what do you think about? And in this case, it was fame. I brought the word fame, and then we talked for about half an hour about what we both think about fame.

It's just,

[00:30:40] Cami MacNamara: and all the people you've met. And it was really fun.

[00:30:44] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. It was fun to

[00:30:44] Cami MacNamara: listen

[00:30:45] Nathan Wrigley: you, not a lot, many fame, but for me it was like how much I would really not like to be actually, actually famous would be almost a, almost like a prison sentence for me. I was thinking about people like, the King of England and Brad Pitt and people like that, and how their lives must be so boxed in by what, on the face of it appears to be the best thing that could ever happen to a human being.

But the fact they just can't sit down in a, I don't know, a cafe and have a sandwich without a million cameras pointing at them.

[00:31:18] Alex Standiford: And could you imagine your whole life being mixed up with Matt Damon? That would be very frustrating.

[00:31:23] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. Exactly. yeah.

[00:31:26] Michelle Frechette: Nathan, your, show with bringing a word reminds me.

I'm launching a new podcast, not WordPress related at all, called Two Friends in a podcast. the site should be up by this weekend. And my best friend for 30 years. And I made just a whole, we just have an ongoing list of words and objects and we spin the wheel at the beginning of every episode to see what we're talking about that day.

[00:31:50] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.

[00:31:51] Michelle Frechette: Necessary out very soon. Yeah.

[00:31:53] Nathan Wrigley: Very cathartic, isn't it? Even if, in the case of that one, that Cammie's just brought to bear. It's not gonna get big listeners, but it's nice. we just hang out for half an hour Yeah. And enjoy it and all of that kind of stuff. And exactly.

Maybe some people are listening and get some pleasure out of it.

I don't know. But, it's podcasting is the thing. I'm really into it. It's a massive part of my life. Did I say I'm launching a podcast? But yeah, so thank you Kami. I'm glad we have at least one listener.

[00:32:26] Cami MacNamara: You do

[00:32:28] Nathan Wrigley: Our direct families. Okay. So there we go. Just a couple of quick comments before we move on to the word pressy stuff.

what have we got? What have we got? What have we got? Courtney says, apologies. I've just blanked out Alex's face. I need to swap notes with his rig versus mine. So she's talking about you and your ai. I think Alex, I have a hunch we are similar. AI all the thing. Alex is insane. Courtney, if you are doing what Alex is doing, then I'd be staggered.

'cause it's literally off the charts. but in a good way, he's still, maybe there's metal under that skin that we can't

[00:33:09] Alex Standiford: I told you I'm Linux-based.

[00:33:10] Nathan Wrigley: That's right. Yeah. I gotta get her on the, show. I'm doing a AI interviewing show.

I think she would be the perfect candidate because her notes on that.

She strikes me as very similar in approach to you. The conversations that we've had about the way that she, has been curating content and making it available in the WordPress space is also pretty phenomenal. Lots of obsidian things going backwards and forwards. Oh yeah. If memory serves, memory serves very funny.

Yes, it was. it's that, nomad skateboarding, it's back. It's just on, not on my podcast feed. It's, on the, open Channels podcast feed. So it's exactly the same. it's literally the same. There's nothing changed except we've put it elsewhere. first word camp, so we're back to that.

Courtney says my first word camp needed volunteers, but still had run out of tickets before I got mine. My first camp was as contributor for checking attendees in. That's a good way of breaking the ice, isn't it? Being a contributor for doing something like that front and centre of house.

That's an interesting idea.

[00:34:15] Michelle Frechette: And you meet everybody as they come in 'cause you're checking them in.

[00:34:18] Nathan Wrigley: That's right. Yeah, In a fairly low pressure environment in that sense as well, isn't it? Iran says he's keen to know when the demo, no idea when the demo or the new podcast app, but it's not far.

It'll be like. Couple of weeks. Three weeks?

Eight years. I don't, no, really not eight years.

[00:34:38] Michelle Frechette: I just messaged you to, come on post status and do a demo with you and Dan. Oh. So I just sent you my calendar so we

[00:34:45] Nathan Wrigley: can get something. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. In the interesting, I want to know, to do the ha the whole process.

Nathan, can you tell me more? Just putting pla I dunno what you mean. Is that something to do with the app?

[00:34:55] Michelle Frechette: The demo of Yes. And demo of your app.

[00:34:57] Nathan Wrigley: So I can show you, Courtney, just ping me and I'll show you behind the scenes what it does and things at some point, or no, go for, fill out that form, the page that I mentioned earlier.

Nathan wrigley.com Forward slash What the heck was it? I've completely forgotten. podcast app. No, I can't remember. Re rewinding. I can't remember. Six, 10 minutes ago. that's how good I am at marketing. Oh dear. I need a second brain, Alex.

[00:35:25] Alex Standiford: Hear me. Hear me out. Hear me out Nathan. You can do a podcast, but then record it and then people can play it again later.

Oh, you should totally try that. I think you should just record a video demo.

[00:35:37] Nathan Wrigley: Yes.

[00:35:38] Alex Standiford: Yeah, just

[00:35:39] Nathan Wrigley: I can put it in newsletter as well. Yes,

[00:35:42] Alex Standiford: that's right. Yeah.

[00:35:44] Nathan Wrigley: Got all these ideas. Just need to execute. That's the thing. yeah. Courtney, I can get, just ping me. Courtney, I'll send you the link to that page 'cause we're gonna onboard a bunch of people at the same time.

Okay. WordPresses stuff. Here we go. Gutenberg Times has become the source of truth, for WordPress's. Latest its iterations and WordPress 7.1 is that we have been through quite a bit of this before, so I'm not gonna go through it with a fine tooth comb. Just to say that it is now out.

It's gutenberg times.com. and if you search for WordPress 7.1 source of truth, and it really, watch me scroll, heck, there's a lot and, everything is linked. Every single portion of, a new feature or what have you can see where the ideas have come from.

Just this little bit is the table of contents. but there's absolutely loads. So if you would like to get into the weeds of what's coming in 7.1, because there's a couple of really new nice features that your clients maybe, wanna get in hand, it's all in there. literally it's all in there. If it isn't in that thing, it isn't in WordPress 7.1 basically.

So go and check that out. Anybody got anything on that? Probably not, no. Okay. In which case I will move us on. Natalie, who is behind, aardvark Triple Aardvark I might add. So it's a, a, a var that's not really doing it justice, is it? a, a var. I like that. anyway, the AAA is to do with, web accessibility and what have you.

this is Natalie's thing. and she has decided that she wants to launch a community if that is also your thing, or maybe it's a thing that you would like to be your thing, but you are not actually that skill at the moment. So it's called the Aardvark with AAA Circle. And, the tagline is, step into accessibility with the training tools and support you need to grow your agency and build a more inclusive web.

The Avar Circle is a supportive membership and community changing the way freelancers and agency's approach accessibility. And, it's, it, in terms of what it's doing, the mechanisms that it's doing, it's not doing anything revolutionary. It's membership, it's community, it's forums, it's all of those kind of things.

But I don't know if there's an accessibility one out there. So maybe this is for you. there is a kickoff call in just a few days. the 7th of August is when it begins. and it says here, sign up by the 31st of July. But I don't know how true that is. You might have, 'cause it still says join. The circle anyway.

you can go and peruse that page, check out, Natalie's credentials and what have you, and see what's on offer. Anybody on that?

[00:38:40] Cami MacNamara: I love circle groups. I'm happy to see the check. Oh yeah,

[00:38:43] Nathan Wrigley: I haven't thought about that. Is it? Do you think it's ace? Yeah, it probably is that You mean the platform?

[00:38:48] Cami MacNamara: yeah. I miss maybe it, because it says circle. Oh, I'm thinking maybe, but I guess, I'll sign up. I'll find out. That's great.

[00:38:57] Nathan Wrigley: it's got Circle and capital C, so maybe it is in fact that Yeah, it's a really credible platform for doing those kind of things. It's taken over the, the whole community game, hasn't it really?

Anyway, there it is. It's called, if you go to ard a at with aaa, accessibility.com, and, if you just search their blog, but I'll link to it as I do with everything mentioned today in the show notes that come out as an email. Okay. In which case I'll move on. Austin Ginder, is a man possessed.

he's been, like, literally, I, I, forgive me, Austin, I've spoken to him on a podcast. I don't mean this in the way it's about to sound, but I have not heard of Austin, let's say four months ago. And now I cannot stop hearing about Austin because he is been doing loads of stuff. WP Beacon, and then he is taken more recently to, using ai, like fully AI to transform the WordPress admin.

And, what on the face of it seems like a really easy enterprise, oh, you just swap out one UI for another ui. he doesn't wanna do that. He doesn't just wanna change the way it looks. He want to, he wants to change the way that you behave in your WordPress admin and surface the things that you use most often, and, minimise the things which are annoying.

However, what he's learn, what he's learning, which I suppose given the benefit of hindsight was, obvious, although I wouldn't have spotted it, is that it's very easy to design a ui, which is beautiful, and he has achieved that. But then actually trying to figure out, what the heck do people do? What can I do to improve that?

That's the really hard bit. And he says, creating a beautiful UI admin, is easy getting it functional enough for anybody to use. That's the hard part. Adoption is the wall. A prettier admin has to be more useful than the one people already know on the exact tasks they already do, or they bounce back to the things that they know, which just works.

Anyway, he, in, in this article, he iterates three or four different things that he's done. But honestly, having had a look at this project just from videos and screenshots and things like that, I really like it. and you can instal it as a plugin, follow along. He is iterating at breakneck speed, so I would imagine it's probably not suitable for a live website or anything, but throw Austin in a bone, go and check it out and what have you.

It's called, min admin, MINN. Hyphen admin. And unfortunately these screenshots don't really do it justice 'cause they're all in dark mode and it doesn't really come out on the video so well. But when you look at the pictures of various parts of the ui, it's really nice and it just looks like a modern SAS app.

anyway, there you go. Any of the three wanna comment on.

[00:41:49] Alex Standiford: Yeah, it's been really fun watching this, actually. I've been monitoring it a little bit, quietly, because he's using clo Austin's using Claude. He actually mentions that in the post to, do a lot of the design and stuff.

And, it highlighted something that I've observed too over the last few months. Whenever you're designing things, is designing a dashboard is pretty easy. designing a specific dashboard for your needs even is pretty easy, but just, but designing a general dashboard for like multipurpose uses, like he said is a bit more challenging.

and

[00:42:20] Nathan Wrigley: 'cause Austin says, the minute you hit a, if something that he hasn't thought of that you do with muscle memory Yep. In the WP admin, if it's easier over there and you do that thing a hundred times a week

[00:42:33] Alex Standiford: Yep.

[00:42:33] Nathan Wrigley: You're gonna drop his tool and go straight back to the main, the regular WP admin.

And so it's a question for Austin, who by the way, has just randomly showed up in the comments, Hey,

Austin, we've been saying nice things, I promise. Yeah. and so they'll just go back, won't they? So that whole journey of figuring out what do people typically do for me, it's, for me it's blocks, text, media, library, templates, those kind of things.

Nothing too extraordinary, but

[00:43:01] Alex Standiford: well related to it. I think I don't know if I mentioned Austin, if you haven't, please fill out the form. I would love to talk to you about AI on that show. I'm getting the tell. Have you

[00:43:11] Nathan Wrigley: got a short vote? Can you, if you send me an private chat, Alex, the URL for your podcast onboarding Oh

[00:43:19] Alex Standiford: yeah.

[00:43:19] Nathan Wrigley: Absolute. I'll stick it on the screen and that'll make it easier for Austin.

[00:43:22] Alex Standiford: Yeah, sure. That's fine. I, sorry, I'm, I just,

[00:43:24] Nathan Wrigley: no. Say

[00:43:25] Alex Standiford: it out loud

[00:43:25] Nathan Wrigley: as

[00:43:25] Alex Standiford: well. Okay. It's just, it's a, it's, it doesn't even have a name yet. It's an ai it's an AI podcast show that I'm doing, but I'm basically gonna be doing one-on-one conversations with, just people just talk and shop about ai, wanna hear what they're doing, comparing notes and things like that.

I think he already filled out the form, but I would love to talk to you about that more. But the

[00:43:44] Nathan Wrigley: nice,

[00:43:45] Alex Standiford: the thing that's interesting to me about dashboards, I have a couple of cust, a couple of people on my team at No Notorious who, are internal tooling that, AI brain and stuff like that.

It works across my company and I've just given them the APIs and the SDKs and all the tooling that they need to be able to customise it and use it as they want. And I built this whole interface for my team to use. And the developers that have been using it just haven't used it. They just opt to talk to Claude and say, this is the stuff I need.

Here's the, tooling I need. Build me the interface I actually want. And yeah, all of

[00:44:17] Nathan Wrigley: okay.

[00:44:18] Alex Standiford: Interfaces. It's crazy. Anyway.

[00:44:20] Nathan Wrigley: And Austin has, it's a small user base that he's got

[00:44:24] Alex Standiford: to worry

[00:44:24] Nathan Wrigley: about.

[00:44:25] Alex Standiford: It just makes me wonder what's gonna happen to dashboards in general. is that gonna be a thing?

Is it gonna be like, oh, people are just gonna be,

[00:44:34] Nathan Wrigley: you just tell it what you need and it

[00:44:36] Alex Standiford: builds the dashboard. I need a dashboard that tells me this, and this. The system has its own predefined, like design systems and APIs and SDKs, and it just goes, oh sure, I'll go build that. And it assembles you with your own app in it.

I don't know. It just, it seems like dashboards are relatively cheap to build. So I'm interested to see if there's gonna be some kind of future where the concept of a dashboard is a lot more tailored to the person.

[00:45:01] Nathan Wrigley: Austin, off you go. Yeah, you go, could you go Yeah.

Spelled out by the way, he's spelled out your form or at least.

Oh,

[00:45:08] Alex Standiford: good. Okay. I thought I saw the submission. Yeah.

[00:45:10] Nathan Wrigley: Okay.

[00:45:10] Alex Standiford: That's good.

[00:45:11] Nathan Wrigley: That's good. I presume that's what that means. Yeah. he said I did. and just going back to quickly, just to the WordPress 7.1, Elliot Richmond joining in, saying source of truth. we mentioned it a minute ago. Responsive controls finally.

Yes. Responsive controls. Finally. Indeed. And for me, the new media modal is the thing I really like that. Oh, and that playlist block for audio. 'cause, podcasting. Did I say I've got moving on? so what, firstly, Austin, I dunno if you heard me basically saying, I think this is such a crack in project.

It looks beautiful. but I don't envy you the uphill struggle of trying to, wrangle a decent interface for the 40 plus million people out there who've got a WordPress dashboard. No doubt. All of them wanting a different thing slightly. so yeah, I like your idea though, Alex of, an interface where you can build a dashboard.

Yeah. there's the, stretch goal, Austin, can you, build that for us?

[00:46:18] Alex Standiford: I want a UI that lets me half of my own ui.

[00:46:22] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, Indeed. Amber Hins joining us says that's what Tableau has been doing with their AI integrations. What's Tableau? Is that, do we all know what that is?

I don't know what that is. I have no idea. It's got a capital T so I'm imagining it's a product and I'm imagining Amber, are you talking about you can build your own dashboard with it? oh, sorry. The next comment says it all, making it easier to build re reporting dashboard. Oh, so it's an app. It's a, it's an, maybe it's a an API or a, I don't know, something or an SDK or something like that for building dashboards.

Okay. Thank you. That's good to know. bookmark that for next time, right? Shall we move on? Yeah. Alright, let's pop the screen back up and go for this one. This was the piece that I mentioned earlier. So we won't dwell on this for ages and ages, but this is, from somebody called Cameron Abdul Aziz, and it was written on the 16th of July and it's called Why It took me 16 years to Contribute to WordPress.

it's quite a long piece actually. so Cameron, C-A-K-A-M-R-A-N-I believe it was spelled. Yeah. Cameron, is outlining why. Basically he's been using WordPress for 16 years and never really thought to peel back the curtain and attend a WordPress event. He attended the first one that he's ever been to earlier in the year.

And it was a real turnoff. It just didn't hit the, the mark for him. But for reasons that he explains in the article, a friend persuaded him to go to Word Camp, Asia, he attended. Some of it was mixed, like some of bits of it didn't seem to go very well, but some of it did. And it's a real nice story of why the heck we turn up to these events.

and I dunno if you've noticed, like we were talking about newsletters earlier, my newsletter, my newsletter feed from WordCamp US has gone off the scale. I think they've gone into like marketing overdrive over there. I dunno if that's because ticket sales are, maybe not what they'd have hoped or I don't really know.

But they're They're really doing a whole boatload of new and interesting stuff. Cammy mentioned, the education piece from, from Jamie and various others and we'll mention something a bit later, but this article sums up why you would want attend these events and how not to feel imposter syndrome, but also attend prepared, if you're gonna do some developer stuff, make sure you know what the, the minimum level of competency is and have yourself set up so you're ready to go.

So Cameron, I love that piece. It was very honest. but I don't know if anybody wants to comment on that. If not, we'll just crack on. Gosh, it's 50 minutes past the hour already. Okay. In which case, oh, here we go. there's some more. It is apparently. it says it's enterprise reporting software from Salesforce.

Okay. There you go. Tablet.

[00:49:19] Michelle Frechette: Nathan, scroll down to where you see his photo at the bottom. He's, he has a really nice, disclaimer right below it right there. A note on the article.

[00:49:28] Nathan Wrigley: A note on this article. Some places and names are left out on purpose. Everything else happened exactly as written. The story and the opinions are mine.

I used an AI assistant to reframe, fix, grammar, and keep the flow readable the same way I use for code staying in the loop the whole way in a piece about using ai. Honestly, that felt worth saying out loud. Why did, I'm curious. Why did you want me to mention that? And I think I know why, but I'm curious why?

[00:49:52] Michelle Frechette: we talk about AI all the time, right? And people using ai, and I think he wanted us to know that he didn't write the article with ai, but how he did use it. And I think that's a really nice disclaimer so that he did that. We can trust what he said and that, as somebody who maybe isn't a writer by trade, he's used it in a way that helped him get his point across without having it write the article completely.

And I think it's just nice to see somebody put the disclaimer in there that, yes, I used it, but the thoughts, everything is mine. I just used it to make it a little more presentable or whatever.

[00:50:26] Nathan Wrigley: and also, I don't know what Cameron's first language is, but there's some beautifully written English in that piece and, it what a great help AI would be for taking I know, I don't know what Cameron's English is like, but let's assume that it's not his first language. it's a great help. But also I think in the future we are gonna wanna know, that there's this sort of declaration of there was a little bit of help here or there was no help here.

I wrote every word and sat and painstakingly it. I've got a feeling that we're gonna see that bit at the bottom of the piece start to rise to the top of the piece. Yeah. In, at some point in the next year, I think people are gonna start to want to see that right at the top. Like there was no AI in this.

I, whatever the trust metric there is. But, I think that's gonna become more and more important. coincidentally in, in the podcasting space, there's now a tag for that. you can actually tag your podcast with ai, no ai, some AI or all ai. and that's gonna be surfaced in like podcast players and things like that.

So it's starting to be programmatic so that, your feed reader can make that determination for you. So you could maybe filter on those kind of things, but I think that's really interesting. yeah, that's why I wanted you to, I called it to your attention that way. Yeah.

Yeah. he is very honest about it, isn't he?

There's no, yeah, I like it. There's no sense of apology or like this, it is just, this is what I've done. It helped.

Yeah. That's good. okay. Ron, Adam, Ron.

[00:52:06] Michelle Frechette: It's Adam Silver.

[00:52:07] Nathan Wrigley: Ah, hello Adam. Hi. he's saying hi, basically, and then, back to Austin again. AI plus min admin is all you need.

All

[00:52:17] Michelle Frechette: you

[00:52:17] Nathan Wrigley: need.

[00:52:18] Michelle Frechette: Yeah. I thought love was all you need, but

[00:52:21] Nathan Wrigley: not anymore.

[00:52:21] Michelle Frechette: That was the Beatles. That was

[00:52:22] Nathan Wrigley: the Beatles. That was way back in the sixties. Now it's ai, is all you need, right? Let's put the screen back up and let's press on. mark this as a success. So this is the repository reporting.

It's called First Student Survey Show, WordPress Credits, building Skills and Satisfaction with Focus Now on Retention. So the WordPress Credits Programme, at the risk of repeating myself, I have to do this most weeks, but I think many people don't even know what it is. So it is a, a process by which your college or your educational establishment university can basically go and work with the WordPress Foundation and say, we would like some of our students' actual curriculum.

To be done in the WordPress space, and then they thrash that out and then the university will give credit IE WordPress credits. So this program's been running for a little while now. They've gone, they've smashed through the goal. They had a goal of, now let me get this right. I think it was like 15 or so institutions being onboarded and they've gone through that and they've got up to 20 or something like that.

There we go. in a separate June update, full target of 20. So they've gone through that target by midyear, and the idea was to get that by the end of the year, and now they're aiming for 35. But basically it, not only have they got lots of institutions involved, they put a two hundred and thirty, two hundred and forty two students through the programme and it would appear that the, the students are very happy.

they've polled them at the end and they've said they're really happy, but the one thing which isn't seeming to come out of it is retention. So they're enjoying it while they're at university. but then the bit I suppose, which from a WordPress perspective, blah, that was easy for me to say from a WordPress perspective would be, it would be nice if these people stuck around that would appear not to be happening quite as much.

There's two strands to their credits. You could do a shorter strand and a longer strand. The longer strand seems to encourage contribution after it's finished. The shorter one, less So that's gonna be the goal, coming forwards. But really nice to see that this is actually working out. felt like it was one of those projects that really had a home and now it seems to be working.

So I will throw that out there. If any of you three wanna toss it about.

[00:54:56] Cami MacNamara: are there any statistics that they're sharing about it being, how it's being adopted in the US versus worldwide or,

[00:55:06] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, that's an interesting one. The, and the answer from this piece at least is no.

[00:55:11] Cami MacNamara: Yeah.

[00:55:12] Nathan Wrigley: they do, they've mentioned as they've onboarded institutions one at a time.

They've mentioned 'em. So I, if memory serves, I'm thinking like Costa Rica, I think there was a few places in India, there was Pisa. That was the first one to jump on board. So I don't actually know if there's any, you look at the bullet, look at the third bullet it says, the third bullet says it's that they're tr doing something ahead of a US college pilot.

[00:55:35] Michelle Frechette: So yeah. Don't think

[00:55:36] Nathan Wrigley: we

[00:55:36] Michelle Frechette: here yet. That's,

[00:55:37] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. That was the news a few weeks ago. spotted Michelle. Yeah. They are looking for, or at least they were a couple of weeks ago, they were looking for people to help explain what a curriculum, so they had interest from a US college somewhere, but they were trying to figure out what a US college would want from it.

'cause obviously it's gonna be different from other parts of the world. And so I'm taken from that, that this would be the first instance of that. yeah.

Anyway, lovely to, to see that going on in the morning.

Absolutely. Yeah. we were talking about sending out emails earlier and how effective that can be.

turns out if you send out 800,000 emails at the exact same moment, it can break your sight. that's, this is so good. I love this. And how nice that they actually wrote this up because this, they could have just buried this, nothing to see here, but that's funny. They didn't the road blog post about it, which I think is very honest and Really nice of them to do it. So it's

[00:56:40] Michelle Frechette: a cautionary tale.

[00:56:42] Nathan Wrigley: Definitely a cautionary, but I'm presuming if you've got a, like a, what do they call them? Like an email sending service, like MailChimp or whatever, you've got active campaign, I'm presuming it just handles all this stuff for you and, sends out.

a thousand, just one minute and a thousand the next minute or whatever.

[00:57:00] Alex Standiford: Yeah.

[00:57:01] Nathan Wrigley: However, so this was a few months ago. It was at nine 15 in the morning. We sent a letter to 800,000 people. Not just take that in for a minute. Just that number alone is so mighty. Oh, that's so great. And by eight, nine 18.

So a full three minutes, three minutes, three minutes. A colleague ping to say that word. woocommerce.com was down. at this point, your heart is think thinking like, what did we do? What did we do? and it, it's such an interesting story.

[00:57:34] Alex Standiford: I just read the next sentence, was the first thought I

[00:57:36] Nathan Wrigley: had.

yeah. Our monitoring alert arrived at 9 22, 4 minutes after a human had already noticed. Alert, latency is a separate topic. Super

[00:57:45] Alex Standiford: topic. The human should not be faster than the robot at this specific job. It just should not be. That is hilarious. To me,

[00:57:53] Nathan Wrigley: what made it confusing is nothing shipped that morning and there was no attack.

And it turned out that we did it to ourselves with the campaign. So I didn't realise this, and I am definitely gonna say this incorrectly, but if you spray out email, it turns out that all the, sort of email hosting companies, so the Gmails of this world, that kind of thing, and, office 3, 6 5 or what have you, the moment they receive that email, they go straight to the source to see if there's any malware.

So that every single time that email is opened up. They can confidently say, oh, we checked it once, that email's fine. Move on. It's fine to open. And so that's exactly what happened. So it more or less instantly turns around. It doesn't load any of the, the like, it doesn't necessarily load the bulk of the email or the sort of payload of the email, but it just turns around and goes, let's look at that site.

So if you send out 800,000 of these at the same time, they all turn around and go, show us what you got. And I don't know how many it was. Presumably nothing like 800,000. I dunno how many email services there are out there, but it's enough to take woocommerce.com down for a few minutes, which is so interesting.

[00:59:14] Alex Standiford: what's interesting to me is Google isn't saying, oh, we checked that one, three minutes ago, it's fine. Or a minute ago. It's fine, I guess when it comes to malware, maybe it can't, but

[00:59:23] Nathan Wrigley: I dunno.

[00:59:24] Alex Standiford: That's,

[00:59:24] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, it's really interesting. Anyway, so for a few minutes they were scrambling around trying to figure out what the heck was going wrong.

And then it says here, so you know, there's the sort of preamble, then it says here, what actually hit us, the newsletter went to store owners. That audience skews heavily towards corporate mailboxes. Office 3, 6, 5, Mimecast and the like. These providers run aggressive security scanners that fetch every link in an email the moment it arrives.

Check in from malware long before the human opens, anything

[00:59:52] Alex Standiford: that

[00:59:53] Nathan Wrigley: answers delivering 800,000 emails at once. And the scanners arrived all at once too. Most of them within seconds of each other. 800,000. This is so great. The bulk of that, spike was machines, a consumer audience on Gmail would never have had this generated.

I can't provide every one of those. Can't, sorry, I can't prove that every one of those connections with a scanner, but it's the only story that fits everything that we saw.

[01:00:17] Alex Standiford: It's like somebody, the death eaters.

[01:00:19] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that's right. Just

[01:00:20] Alex Standiford: come

[01:00:22] Nathan Wrigley: anyway. I presume if, like I said, if you're using a provider that you know, that will send things out, MailChimp and what have you, they're gonna spread this More evenly. Yeah. But maybe, WooCommerce are running something a bit more bespoke, something of their own, which now presumably will provide a little bit of latency in there as well. So that's interesting. yeah. Fascinating. Okay. Anybody on that? There's a few comments which I'll put up.

[01:00:53] Alex Standiford: It's

[01:00:54] Nathan Wrigley: just hilarious.

Amber says, I try, I think trying to get free contributors, so we're back to the. The piece about education, the campus connect, no, not campus connect WordPress credits. Oh dear. I think trying to get free contributors is good, but probably not reasonable. I think only a small percentage are likely to contribute as volunteers if they're not connected to their work.

Yeah, I think that's what they're learning, but the more in depth the educational content is and the longer they spend on it, the more they are likely to contribute. Which is interesting, isn't it? They get into the weeds of it a bit more.

[01:01:34] Michelle Frechette: I think it's very unlikely you're gonna see somebody who's just learning WordPress turn around and start to contribute.

[01:01:41] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:01:42] Michelle Frechette: how long did it take? Some of us, I told you it took me like seven years before

[01:01:46] Nathan Wrigley: I

[01:01:46] Michelle Frechette: started getting

[01:01:47] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, me too. Something along those lines. This would probably be better for skilling people up for jobs in WP if they want to start their own WP businesses. and then carrying on Courtney, even if connected to work, it is a challenge to get approvals in that timeframe to be able to direct labour into it could happen, but work with the workforce to scope timing and then Amber's back.

Yeah. There are a few employers who will pay people to contribute to open source rather than their own company's projects. And then James says hello and good morning. there we go. Hello James. Nice to have you with us. okay. We'll move on if that's all right.

there's a bunch of products out there, Terim I think is probably the most famous that allows you to work with your clients and tag things on, websites that you're building and that kind of thing.

So you can have some sort of to and fro between you and the clients. I know Terim has gone far beyond that in more recent times, but that's how it began. and I just wanted to mention this one 'cause it came up on my socials this week. It's built specifically, I don't really know why it's the case, but it's built specifically for Bricks and Elementor.

So I'm guessing there's some sort of heavy connection. but anyway, it's called Revise o and the tagline is, stop digging through email threads, loom links and screenshots. Revise o let's clients click any element and leave pre precise contextual feedback. And you manage it without ever leaving your editor.

So I'm guessing that on the front end client, clicks on a thing that they don't like or they want amending. And then when you are in the bricks builder, say it pops up inside there at the point where you can actually do the work. I suppose where that differs from something like Terim is that you see it divorced from the tool that you are building with.

So that's quite an interesting, take if I have paused that correctly. As far as I'm aware it's new. and it's the URL is get Revis, O-R-E-V-I-S o.io. They've got a free version. And there's a pro version as well, but I don't know what the cost of any of that stuff is. So you could go and check it out.

I never used tools like this, but maybe those people out there who were using Cami, do you ever use

[01:04:09] Cami MacNamara: I've tried several of these. Like I, wp feedback was in the old days, but I tend to see that I either have clients that can't figure it out, or the client that leaves me like 500 comments and then I'm just like, there's no in between.

Oh God, what have I done? What have I done?

[01:04:29] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Yeah. You've given them like an intravenous line into your brain.

[01:04:35] Cami MacNamara: It's just at what point, why don't you just tell me to start over?

[01:04:42] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. That's the feeling you get.

[01:04:45] Cami MacNamara: So I think they can be helpful for a certain type of client, but there are clients that either just can't figure it out how to start it, or like I said, it's never been right in the middle for me, so I

[01:04:57] Nathan Wrigley: wonder if they, we should batch limit the amount of clicks.

Yeah,

[01:05:01] Cami MacNamara: exactly. You reach your limit,

[01:05:03] Nathan Wrigley: your plan this week in a day. That's right. You've used up your one amendment,

[01:05:08] Cami MacNamara: you

[01:05:08] Nathan Wrigley: give got

[01:05:08] Cami MacNamara: five changes.

[01:05:09] Nathan Wrigley: You know what? That's actually not a bad idea. Might make people think more carefully about it. put in four bogus like trifling comments in one decent one.

[01:05:18] Alex Standiford: the sixth one leads you to unlock five more comments for nine. Nine. That's

[01:05:22] Nathan Wrigley: try is not great.

[01:05:24] Cami MacNamara: Or now you have to leave five comments of things you like.

[01:05:30] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, I like

[01:05:31] Cami MacNamara: it.

[01:05:31] Michelle Frechette: It must balance.

[01:05:32] Alex Standiford: Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[01:05:34] Nathan Wrigley: I tried a bunch of tools like this as well and basically in my case I got crickets.

I was very much, I'm sure Kami may be the same as for you. I was very much local website bills and so I literally knew the people and it was easier for them to pick up the phone and go Nathan. The about

page, one of them that I purchased and I can't remember the name, at one point it lumped all their comments into one bubble.

[01:06:00] Cami MacNamara: And so like somebody had gone in and done a whole bunch and then I log in and they're like all in one spot.

[01:06:06] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, okay.

[01:06:07] Cami MacNamara: So that kind of ended it for me. Yeah. There's

[01:06:09] Nathan Wrigley: no perfect tool.

[01:06:10] Cami MacNamara: Yeah.

[01:06:11] Nathan Wrigley: okay. anyway, it's there. If you're fancy checking it out, it might be your thing, especially if you're using Elementor and Bricks.

I do. I've gotta say I do like the idea of the comment dropping in, the place where you are going to edit it. It

[01:06:25] Cami MacNamara: is a great idea. It's

[01:06:27] Nathan Wrigley: a neat, idea, right? Yeah.

[01:06:28] Cami MacNamara: Maybe if you spend the time to educate your clients how to use it properly from the get go, that could, really help with

[01:06:37] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.

[01:06:37] Cami MacNamara: Getting them to use it properly.

[01:06:39] Nathan Wrigley: I think you're right. I think anyway, yeah,

[01:06:41] Alex Standiford: I think it could be a really cool, this is, why I was so excited about the, the core, the comments feature that they added in In the editor, because. I immediately just think this would be great for me to use as a feedback tool for an agent, an AI agent that's building for me.

So I could point at a thing and be like, this is exactly the problem. I need you to fix this exact thing.

[01:07:02] Nathan Wrigley: Oh,

[01:07:03] Cami MacNamara: what a great idea.

[01:07:05] Alex Standiford: Yeah, that would be useful. But, I'm with you on from the client perspective. Usually my clients are, they hire me because they don't know, like they're in over their head or they're an agency.

and in those cases, usually they just wanna have a meeting and they want to just ask me questions and they don't know the solution to the problem in the first place. So it's usually too abstract in the first place.

[01:07:28] Nathan Wrigley: Austin, if you're still in the comments, there's a, you've got a bit of time on your hand.

[01:07:36] Michelle Frechette: I'm building for a crew right now that can't figure out how to change a cell in a spreadsheet to say this has been completed from their end. So

[01:07:46] Nathan Wrigley: just might be a little overkill. yeah. depends on the

[01:07:51] Michelle Frechette: client for sure.

[01:07:54] Nathan Wrigley: Elliot Richmond joins us and he says, for client pinned feedback, I've used Bug Herd.

I've never heard of that one. Yeah, Oh, I see what I did there. I've used bug herd for years. I love to see a WP centric tool for this sort of thing. Yeah, Okay. Interesting. Yeah. I'll go check out Bog Herd. That looks good.

[01:08:14] Alex Standiford: How the one time you do a pun, I miss it, but every time you do one by accident, I pick it up.

[01:08:19] Nathan Wrigley: I never do puns by accident. They're always very different. That's interesting. That's right.

[01:08:25] Cami MacNamara: Maybe that's our title, right? I know.

[01:08:28] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, okay. what? I wasn't paying attention. I only do puns on purpose, something like that. Okay. I'll write that down. on purpose. I'm never gonna be able to read that.

Nevermind. Let's move on.

[01:08:44] Michelle Frechette: I'm typing it to you right now.

[01:08:46] Nathan Wrigley: That was, thank you, Michelle. Appreciate it. That was Revis. Do you know what Michelle, this new thing that I've got, this new we'd be able to solve, it's taken care of, right Open station. Let me get the screen up. Okay, so this is mental and fabulous at the same time.

I really like this. I, imagine a tiny subset of people are gonna think this is cool, but it is desktop mode. We've mentioned it on this podcast before, but basically imagine your WordPress website as an os. on, I use Mac os, so that's the one that's to my fingertips. you've got the Finder, and the finder can be in a window over there, and then you can have like a, I don't know, you could have a notion open and you're doing some writing over in that little bit there.

And then you've got, I don't know, your media, like you've got the MP three files and stuff that's in a bit over here. That's what this is trying to do. It's trying to make your website into, to atomize it to put the bits that you use most frequently into literal different windows on this canvas, which looks like an os.

And I'm gonna go to a tweet, which will, I don't know if you'll like, I don't know that I'm hanging with the, with those sort wobbly, oh gosh, stop that on that.

[01:10:16] Alex Standiford: But cosmic or,

[01:10:17] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, it's like Linux from the 1990s.

[01:10:19] Alex Standiford: Yeah, the, the two, like early two thousands.

[01:10:21] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that's right. There was that option inside of things like Ubuntu, where you could do that.

[01:10:26] Alex Standiford: Yeah, that was literally what got me switched over. I'm here

[01:10:29] Nathan Wrigley: today

[01:10:29] Alex Standiford: because,

[01:10:29] Nathan Wrigley: and I'm not even exaggerating, but what we're looking at is, so there's a menu item on the left look just like you would have on WordPress at the moment, but then you've got like a doc style interface at the bottom where you can pin things.

You've got a separate window. In this case it's showing us like a recycle bin. So presumably that's media or posts or what have you. But the point to notice is that everything's in a window and the, the shift there is pretty cool.

[01:10:58] Alex Standiford: I love it, so do I, because what I would want, and I've said this on the shows previously, is I'd want my media library opening one window.

[01:11:08] Nathan Wrigley: I would want my posts that I'm writing at the moment in another window, but a pending post that I've half written. I'd want that in another window. I'd probably want some familiar settings that I know I'm always dipping into in yet another window. And, so you can do it and you open up WordPress as like an os.

which, I think it's hard to get there in your head if you haven't really looked at the screenshots and things, but it's. It's pretty cool. yeah, get rid of all the flashy graphics, and I don't want any of that. I just want it to be, one thing. But you can see like there's, there's desktop icons, which presumably would map to bits that you've decided are shortcuts that you always return to, and you click on it, it'll open up a new window.

It's pretty cool. Anyway, the desktop mode, 0.9 0.6 has been announced and they seem to be going through a tonne of different variations on things. It says, we're excited to announce the version, I've just said. Another huge release with new features, UX improvement, performance optimization, and bug fixes.

because your WordPress websites need them. They've included games. So you know, you want, just get a bit bored whilst you're doing your website. You can now play ink full or alphabet soup. okay, yeah, I, don't want those on my version. I'll play those all day. but you can see here is there's a little video which is showing you how that actually worked.

A little game that's included. But there's obviously AI console. They've got like a, a command palette. They've got an actual file manager. I'll just read it. It says Turn your word instal into your own cloud storage, create folders, upload files, organise your content, download entire folders as zip archives.

That's pretty cool, right? It's like a os inside of a browser. they've also expanded the notes feature so you can now pin notes to you. So it's not the notes feature that is inside the post editor. It's literally like sticky notes. I dunno if you can see it in this video. Let me click replay look. It's like sticky notes that you stick on the desktop somewhere.

and a whole bunch more. So anyway, I don't know,

[01:13:27] Alex Standiford: how is Matt not eating this up? oh,

were you with me, Alex,

[01:13:33] Nathan Wrigley: for the lab? Do you think it's actually a credible idea?

[01:13:35] Alex Standiford: I think it's awesome. I think it's, yeah, I think, the only thing I wish it would do is I want it as an electron app and then every window be its own app so that I can use my native OSS window management setup and oh my gosh, I would never, I would just use it.

[01:13:50] Nathan Wrigley: So say that again. So you'd want it as an electron app so that your finder or whatever Linux distribution you're on, right? You could drag the media from there straight into your post. So it, okay.

[01:14:02] Alex Standiford: Yeah. So imagine if I was able to open an instance of this app and I could have it pinned to the media and it's just like a normal window on my screen and then they could interact with each other or something like that.

And, the whole setup would just work in the regular thing and then those windows, instead of having the whole desktop environment on the, in the browser, it would just be those individual windows that just use are used in my native environment. That would be, I would love that. But I don't, I mean that's a pretty big diversion from what I think he's tried to do here.

But still it's super cool. I think it's a lot of fun.

[01:14:33] Nathan Wrigley: I would honestly, I dunno if you are like me, but I genuinely have. 'cause I do for the tavern, I do for this new podcasting thing, I mentioned that. and, and WP builds and a very, and variety of other different things. I'm constantly trying to remember where the heck am I?

And if I had an icon in my, I don't know, in my doc on the Mac and I could click it and all the things that I typically use for the tavern are just there, close that open the WP builds when everything that I need for that is just there, all set out how I want it with the windows at the right sizes.

[01:15:06] Alex Standiford: Yeah,

[01:15:06] Nathan Wrigley: loving it.

[01:15:07] Alex Standiford: And what's, fun is you're seeing things like this, this, desktop environment. You're seeing them talking about the ai, their own second brain note taking thing built into WordPress and all these other tools and all these interesting different ways to use WordPress that have nothing to do with a traditional blog.

Yeah. It's all content. It's still content management, but it's, really interesting to see how all these things are like appearing as we're experimenting with what does WordPress, what does the CMS look like this decade in the next

[01:15:35] Nathan Wrigley: decade. A lot of it iss getting drowned out, isn't it actually?

Yeah. That's, a lots is there's too many things like, we had Austin earlier with his min admin

that could get drowned out because, this desktop suddenly gets popular, but there's 55 different overlapping things all going on at the same, it's, it is exciting times.

[01:15:55] Alex Standiford: Yeah.

[01:15:57] Nathan Wrigley: and there's a few comments coming. Let me just raise those. So Elliot, going back to the tool that you use to inspect, with clients to check out work websites. I used a similar tool to Cami back when I built sites. I tried those tools. Some users found it overwhelming and just preferred emails.

Some would post way too many comments. Yeah, maybe there's no perfect for that kind of thing. oh, thank you WP Jackson. Hi Jackson. a great free plugin in the repo is called Alpaca Issue Tracker. I love the way, that kind of way that sounds alpaca issue. Tracker. There's some rhyming going on there. I like that bond.

[01:16:38] Michelle Frechette: James

[01:16:39] Nathan Wrigley: Bond. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I'm alpaca. The issue tracker. there's a jingle in there somewhere. I only do pot on purpose. Thank you.

[01:16:49] Michelle Frechette: On purpose. On purpose. Do you see the pun?

[01:16:51] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, I didn't my head back. Thanks for Michelle. Love it. Yeah. I was, it doesn't matter where I was. I was somewhere recently and I read a sign and it only occurred to me when I got to the end of the sign that everything was incorrectly spelled.

Goodness sometimes. Oh my goodness. Dramatically, incorrectly spelled. no. But the whole point is almost every word was dramatically different from what it was. And the whole point of the sign was for you to notice that you actually don't read the word. You read what you think the word is going to be.

And in most cases, you put a, the, and it might have said like THX and you read it as the

And I see purpose there, so I read it out. But anyway, there you go. what Alex said, says, pressing is that Andrew Palmer, I know you've got a new podcast. and it's got that name. So it might be Andrew, what Alex said he wanted, for four.

I'm reading that as from, from, a feedback tool is exactly what Attri five does now. Okay. On is Andrew.

[01:18:03] Alex Standiford: That

[01:18:04] Nathan Wrigley: makes sense. yeah. Thank you Andrew. Shall we move on? Gosh, look at the time. We've only got 10 minutes left. Plumbing. Heck Okay, let's press on very quickly. if I'm gonna paraphrase everything from now on very quickly, if you've ever wanted to know what the heck, a plugin on the WordPress re repo, what its history is and how it's actual instal base is going back, like the way back machine for plugins.

This apparently does it. I've never come across it before. It's called WP Analyse, and you type in the name of a plugin that's on the repo and it will give you data about that plugin, going backwards. for example, I don't know, main wp, we have Mark Zaca on here rather a lot. Let me type it in.

they've got a whole bunch of different ones, so I'll just pick the most popular one. you can see here, 700,000 active, oh, 700,000 plus instals. I dunno how they've come at this, but it says it's thought to be 758, 333 downloads. 47 point a half million. Gosh, they're doing all right, aren't they? Bravo, a WP their support ticket has a hundred percent resolution, which is Oh,

[01:19:17] Michelle Frechette: that one ticket.

[01:19:18] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that's right. They've only got one. Glad they answered it. 7.2, and then there's a whole load of other data, which Yeah, that's

[01:19:27] Cami MacNamara: really neat.

[01:19:28] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah,

[01:19:28] Cami MacNamara: this is cool. I spent some time with this before our week. I got online.

[01:19:33] Nathan Wrigley: What's sirens?

[01:19:35] Alex Standiford: Is it,

[01:19:35] Nathan Wrigley: oh, could you siren? Yeah. Okay. Very quickly. do I just do

[01:19:39] Alex Standiford: siren affiliates?

[01:19:40] Nathan Wrigley: Do I put in a space? Oh, there

[01:19:42] Alex Standiford: it's there. It's

[01:19:44] Nathan Wrigley: here we go. Not enough data ranks. 40,000 four, one hundred and forty eight.

[01:19:49] Alex Standiford: That's pretty solid. I've

[01:19:50] Nathan Wrigley: got, it's the beginning, right? It's just the beginning.

[01:19:54] Alex Standiford: 200 downloads and no instals. Why? That's an interesting thing.

[01:19:58] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Is it true though? Do you, does that map that's, anyway, this, I know.

this is the job. And then you've got menus at the top, like rankings, stats, which is, more broadly about, what's going on. So you could obviously, if you're a plugin developer, you can see what things are, which categories are hot and things like that. So it's just a nice skin on top of the, the WordPress org repo, which might Cool.

Give you some, yeah.

[01:20:21] Cami MacNamara: Classic editor is still way up there in the rankings, and I found that be really interesting.

[01:20:27] Nathan Wrigley: Look at that. There is number 9.5 million.

Yeah, that's interesting. And it's got a really high satisfaction rating. Look at that. 4.90. Oh, Elementor, it wins with the yo SEO in second place, contact form seven, and it goes down from there.

But, Yeah. Anyway, it's called WP Analyse with a ZZ or a Z in it. Okay. Oh, Elliot, who's in the comments? Just a bit of a hat tip to Elliot, who, had his simple turnstile plugin, reached 200,000 active instals. said, do you know what we should do? We should go, let's just copy and paste that text.

Simple turnstile, and should we whack it into WP Analyse? it's, oh, is it gonna, is it gonna find it? da. Live telly never do live. So never work. No, it says it can't find it. Oh, that's 'cause you've got a new name for it, isn't it? And I've forgotten what the name is. Anyway, we'll ignore that. Press on. well done is all I wanted to say with that.

Congrats

[01:21:40] Michelle Frechette: Elliot.

[01:21:41] Nathan Wrigley: Quite exciting milestone. 200,000. It says last year I estimated it would reach this milestone by December. So it's four months early. Took just under a year to get to 100,000 now averaging one. Th that's so great. Look at that number. 1,920 instals per week. That's phenomenal. Bravo

[01:22:03] Michelle Frechette: Elliot.

Elliot, congratulations. But also put your photo on your LinkedIn profile. Would you buddy?

[01:22:08] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, no, that's what he actually looks like. He's Oh yeah, that's very anonymous. Very. I met him in, crack off. He is just he looks just like that.

Yeah, he's just like that. no, he thought, oh, Elliot, somebody follow him on LinkedIn quickly.

That's such an annoying bomb. That's nine. I'll

[01:22:28] Michelle Frechette: after the show

[01:22:29] Nathan Wrigley: quickly. Let's refresh that

[01:22:31] Michelle Frechette: mind. I know

[01:22:31] Nathan Wrigley: it's a big's been on there like a whole No, it's the same.

[01:22:33] Michelle Frechette: He says just try turn style that the whole thing. Yeah.

[01:22:36] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. So with only a few minutes to spare, Jamie Marsland has been, talking about this tool he is been building with AI called Goff, like Van Goff.

And it is, oh, we say

[01:22:48] Michelle Frechette: go over

[01:22:49] Nathan Wrigley: here. Okay. You say go. We say go. Yeah. Van Goff. and, it's really great. That is to say it's the most minimal UI you can imagine. there's really nothing here that I can show you because it's not that this isn't the point of this piece. But it really gets out the way you use what looks like a wizzywig editor of Sublime Simplicity, but behind the scenes it's using core blocks and basically it's adopting everything from your theme.

font sizes and font weights and all of that. And it's just using all of that. So if you come out of the editor and actually look at the blocks, you can actually migrate it to another tool and what have you. Anyway, he's asking the question, should it be built? because it's an experiment at the moment.

And, my answer as you probably worked out is, yeah, crack on Jamie. Why, ask, just do it, Jamie. '

cause he doesn't have enough time as the head of WordPress, YouTube, he is. so I would say yes, go for it. I dunno whether he is thinking about that as a commercial product or not. But yeah, there you go.

[01:23:57] Michelle Frechette: Yeah.

[01:23:58] Nathan Wrigley: can I, Elliot,

[01:23:58] Michelle Frechette: can I beg you to, skip to the end one? 'cause I really need help with that one.

[01:24:03] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, okay. Yeah. Very quickly, I'll just put this up. Elliot says I have a focus. Oh, it's because I'm locked out. Yeah. Okay.

[01:24:09] Michelle Frechette: That would be why. Okay. I'll make sure I'm connected.

[01:24:12] Nathan Wrigley: do you mean this one?

[01:24:13] Michelle Frechette: I do.

[01:24:15] Nathan Wrigley: Okay.

[01:24:15] Michelle Frechette: I got this lovely bit of stationery in the mail the other day. found this in a box of stationery and thought of you. 'cause it's all Wonder Woman. And I, and a lot of people know I collect that stuff and it says heart and it looks like Cam.

[01:24:28] Cami MacNamara: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah. She thought it was me.

[01:24:31] Michelle Frechette: It looks like Cam and I don't know who it's from.

Oh. Is it from you Nathan?

[01:24:38] Nathan Wrigley: no. No. I just quickly have to go and do something. Sorry. Carry on.

[01:24:42] Michelle Frechette: I don't know who it's from. I can't tell from the signature. There's no return address. The stamp doesn't even tell me what state or town it was, cancelled in. So if it was you out there, people love the world.

Thank you. I did post it on, I, reached out to Camie. 'cause I thought she never says Cam, but maybe that was her. Yeah, it wasn't her. It wasn't Cameron Barrett. it wasn't, I don't think it was Camie, chaos. about Cameron. yeah, the Australian Cameron, who's often the comments it wasn't,

but the stamp was printed in a US

[01:25:15] Nathan Wrigley: Oh.

[01:25:16] Michelle Frechette: Post office. unless he was here, but yeah. I have no idea. So it's on Facebook, if you know who sent that to me, I'm very grateful. I will absolutely use it. I love it. but I don't know who to thank.

[01:25:26] Nathan Wrigley: I can tell you categorically that it's not from Kami McNamara, because that's McNamara's signature.

[01:25:32] Michelle Frechette: Yeah, I know.

[01:25:35] Nathan Wrigley: because I got thematic. yes,

[01:25:39] Cami MacNamara: that's right.

[01:25:40] Michelle Frechette: Oh my goodness. I love that.

[01:25:42] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that was, that's fun. That was it. That's Hysteric was going. Yeah. I actually thought we were leading up to Kami sent it, so I thought, oh, grab that. Oh, that's what you were doing. Camie gave you, it

[01:25:52] Michelle Frechette: wasn't, I literally have no idea who it's from, so thank you for letting me put it out there.

Maybe somebody will see it. No, it's good. Please. I respond.

[01:25:58] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, so if you can help the, the world needs fixing in this regard, go and we

[01:26:04] Alex Standiford: should have led with that. That could

[01:26:05] Nathan Wrigley: have been the

[01:26:05] Alex Standiford: whole episode

[01:26:08] Michelle Frechette: handwriting analysis.

[01:26:11] Nathan Wrigley: but slang, amatic, it's brilliant. I can't open it now. There's too many other things to quickly get through.

Let me just see. okay. I'm gonna do these real quick. protect the Shire, which is the initiative to delay the amount of time it takes from a plugin developer issuing an update to their plugin and it going out live. That appears to be a decent thing because in the last, week or so, a plugin did update with malware already in the payload.

it wasn't spotted by, the WordPress dot org's, new Gandalf AI reviewer actually spotted by word fences Prism. But the point is the whole thing happened from, it being put in the.org repo to being discovered, to being reported and to then being pulled in under the amount of time, six hours that it took for this Protect the Shires initiative to block it.

So it totally never shipped, which is pretty cool.

[01:27:10] Alex Standiford: Yeah, it's,

[01:27:11] Nathan Wrigley: there's AI at work right there that's, getting in the way of stuff like that, which nobody should ever have had to deal with. and then I'll just drop one more in just before we go. If you are heading to Word Camp us, we were talking about new initiatives and them, having great ideas and what have you.

This is an interesting one. So if you are gonna be in attendance at WordCamp us, there is the AI prompt bar where you can actually go and talk to all of the, AI team that are in, that are there. and the idea isn't that you go and give them fix my problem. The idea is that you go and chat about what's happening in ai, in the WordPress space and get it from, as it's, as it were, the horse's mouth.

So I think that's a really neat idea. Loads of new ideas coming out in Word Camp US and I think that's a, a good one. So that's it. I think that's all I've got time for. As always. If we mentioned anything, it'll be in the show notes, which I'll give you tomorrow, at seven o'clock in the morning UK time.

[01:28:15] Michelle Frechette: And every, every heading in that email you send out will be a pun, correct?

[01:28:20] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, all of them? Yeah. No, none of them time. Let us know

[01:28:26] Michelle Frechette: if you need help. We'll,

[01:28:26] Nathan Wrigley: we'll think of something I have not the time. it's sometimes I wake up and the email has failed to send it. I've got the opposite problem of WooCommerce.

I wake up, it's oh,

[01:28:36] Michelle Frechette: at least your website's still there

[01:28:37] Nathan Wrigley: at the end of it. Trust me, there's not 800,000 people on my list. I wish. That's it. That's all we've got time for. Let's go round the houses and say big thank you. So firstly, thank you to our co-host Michelle Ette. Thank you my so much.

My thank you. Thank you. Thanks to Kami McNamara. It's still only seven 30 in the morning. In the morning,

[01:28:57] Cami MacNamara: Sandra.

[01:28:59] Nathan Wrigley: Oh yeah,

[01:29:00] Alex Standiford: I did see it. Now that you met now I gotta watch the time lapse.

[01:29:02] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that's true. And finally to Alex Standford over there. We'll be back next week. will we Yes, I'll still be here.

Yes. Spencer's killing me. We'll be back next week and, so well

[01:29:14] Michelle Frechette: Reese will be your co-host for the first

[01:29:16] Nathan Wrigley: time. Re Rece Reese Wind is gonna be our co-host. That's right. Yeah. Thank you for that. Yep. And, and so we'll have a new panel and, seven days of new content to talk about. So join us for that.

All that we've gotta do now is do the hand wave of joy, which you know, is just joyous. Look at the joy we're all having doing that. Thank you so much. I have no idea what video is gonna play here at all. Now I've pressed the right button. In theory, we should get 10 seconds of my logo, but I don't know, I genuinely don't know what's gonna happen.

or 30 minutes, one or other

[01:29:48] Alex Standiford: live is

[01:29:49] Nathan Wrigley: dynamic. But, if you want to just clear off as well, I would well understand. But I'll see you three in a minute and thank you to all of you who made comments. Really appreciate it. Bye-bye. Thank

[01:29:58] Alex Standiford: you, Nathan. Appreciate it, buddy.

[01:29:59] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, thank you. Bye.