This Week in WordPress #318

[00:00:03] Nathan Wrigley: It's time for This Week in WordPress, episode number 318. Entitled Oh York, why do you make us spit?

It was recorded on Monday the 9th of December, 2024. My name is Nathan Wrigley and I'll be joined today by three fabulous people. First off the co-host is a Michelle Frechette, but we're also joined by Sam Alderson, and by Corey Maass.

We get sidelined quite a lot. We talk a lot about York, we spit out quite a lot of water, and we get sidelined by my lights, but we do finally get onto some WordPress bits and pieces.

The first thing we talk about is hiding blocks. This is a opportunity presented by Nick Diego. He would like to see whether or not hiding things should be inside of Core.

We also talk about the fact that WPLDN, the WordPress London Meetup is hosting a speed build on Thursday, Jamie Marsland, having the tables turned on him. And he will be forced to do a speed build himself.

We talk about a new plugin. I think it's new ish. It's called Advanced Columns, and it will enable you to build grid layouts inside your WordPress website.

Jetpack Social is going to enable you with Social Notes to post to social networks. It's a completely new idea with custom post types just aligned for that purpose. No titles, just text.

We also get into disabling the font library and quite a lot of discussion around Playground on how it enables you to build sites and maybe in the future, migrate sites.

And towards the end, we talk about Huawei stopping using Android, and a few different bits and pieces happening around LinkedIn Learning.

It's all coming up next on this week in WordPress.

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Hello? Hi. Hi there. Hi there. Hi. I've got new headphones, right? And everything sounds weird. All sounds weird, so apologies or does it sound normal? Were all weird. It normally, the headphones that I had were really, cheap and, but great, they worked fine but they allowed loads of noise in these, somehow seem to get rid of any noise, so it feels like I'm in space or something and I'm not really that used to.

even the sound voice, that's a good headphones. Yeah, it's it's a bit eerie. Anyway, I'll probably go back to the cheap ones next week. It was hard to get used to not hearing your own voice. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. As a podcaster, it's one of the horrors is, is having to edit your own.

Blooming voice all the time. It's, really, Ooh. Has a, I want really decent ones that put Jono out. So Yeah, I was the really high expensive noise canceling ones. some things are worth paying for. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. The only problem is I have, go on Cory. We, I was just gonna say I have, six pairs of headphones hanging on the wall.

[00:04:25] Corey Maass: 'cause as a part-time musician, no, none of them are ever good enough. So be careful of Oh, I see. The addiction. You can, get into just buying, oh, those look intriguing. They're slightly different, Yeah. They've got another acronym. They've got HPD three, six K Codex in them. Nice. These are 10-year-old bows and I still love them.

[00:04:45] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I, have one of those too. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah, he's got 'em all. Okay. anyway, that was, apropos of nothing. Apologies. This is episode number 318 of this week in WordPress. Really appreciate it. If you're joining us, the easiest way to do that. Is to just go to this URL right here.

Let me just pop it up. sorry. about that, Sam. We'll get to Sam in a minute, but yeah. Oh, look at that pro first time, just right in there. so wp build.com/live. Once more, wp build.com/live. If you go there, there's some YouTube comments on the right hand side. If you're on a desktop, it's underneath.

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Just click on that and you can comment in there and we'll get those comments and we'll put them on the screen. please, share it. It's really great when we get more comments coming in and, we'll introduce our commenters that we've had so far in a moment. But before we do that, let me, introduce today's, fine panel.

And first off, we've got our co-host who's over there. It's Michelle Frechette. How you doing, Michelle?

[00:06:07] Michelle Frechette: Hi. I am good. How are you?

[00:06:08] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, good. so I've got this new setup, right? And it just occurs to me that even the light coming off the screen is enough to just make my face go a different color. Check it out.

[00:06:19] Michelle Frechette: You're angelic.

[00:06:21] Nathan Wrigley: I glow. I tell

[00:06:22] Corey Maass: that you're not looking at what you're supposed to be looking at. Inexperienced. You're gonna trouble with feature.

[00:06:27] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, I'm gonna do this 'cause it's actually quite funny. check this out. This is the camera that I was using last week, right? So this is last week's camera.

The exact same camera, exact same. Everything room's the same. Everything's the same. And that's what it looks like.

So, basically I've got this other one. Let me get that rid of that. So I've got this other one, which is like a camera, like you hold it and take pictures out in the world and I just don't know how to use it yet, so the light will be just coming and going. So apologies about that.

There's not much I can do about it.

[00:07:01] Michelle Frechette: The other one you're in like the witness protection program. That's right. Yeah, that's right. sparkle your voice and things. Yeah,

[00:07:06] Nathan Wrigley: but I'm playing with some things in the background. We'll have some fun with that in a minute. But, yeah, so apologies if I go bright and I go dark and what have you.

Wp builds.com/live. Use the comments over there and I was just about to do Michelle's. Michelle's bio. Here we go. Michelle Frechette is the Director of Community Engagement for Stellar WP at Liquid Web. In addition to her work over there, Michelle is the podcast barista of WP coffee talk.com. Co-founder of underrepresented in tech.com, creator of wp speakers.com, and also wp career pages.com, the executive director at Post status, co-host of the WP Motivate Podcast, and also the host of the WP Constellations Podcast.

She's an author, a frequent organizer, and speaker at WordPress events and lives outside Rochester, New York, where she is an avid photographer of nature. You can learn more. One final URL Meet Michelle. Online. Very nice. Nice to have you with us again. Thank you, Michelle.

[00:08:05] Michelle Frechette: Always good to be here.

[00:08:06] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, I really appreciate it.

And, joining us, let's go in a sort of clockwise no otherwise clockwise direction. So we'll go for, we'll go for Cory next. Corey's, Corey's bio is easy to say. It's Corey Maass, there he is. And, it says here, founder creator of O-M-G-I-M-G, freelance, WordPress developer, and, anything you wanna add to that?

Coffee

perfectly timed. Perfect. The place.

[00:08:36] Michelle Frechette: I know that was completely coincidental. Yeah.

[00:08:39] Nathan Wrigley: And I know the URL for Cory's plugin website because this morning I was editing a podcast that Corey and I, recorded a few weeks ago, which is gonna come out on the tavern or on Wednesday, so I know it's omg img.co.

That's right, isn't it? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I found a really nice clip actually, of you, Corey. There was this one part where you said, if somebody compresses an image online, but nobody sees it, did it ever happen? Which I thought was, which I thought was nice. Oh, I like that. There's Corey and, we're joined by Sam Alderon.

I don't wanna say Alderson. Is it Alderson? Alderson. Alderson Alderon, yeah. and I can't remember because my memory is really bad. Have you been on the show before, Sam?

[00:09:30] Sam Alderson: one time. Okay. probably about two and a half years ago when I was still working for Yost.

[00:09:37] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, that's about the right cadence.

I think if you wanna maintain sanity, then I think that's, so that's why

[00:09:44] Michelle Frechette: I am the way I am.

[00:09:45] Nathan Wrigley: What's going on? That's it. Sam Alderson, did I get that right? Alderson? Yeah, Sam Alderson is the co-founder of Applied Synergistics Limited, alongside John o Alderson. they help brands to compete on technical SEO site performance and structured data with an knack for turning ideas into action.

Sam Blend Strategic Marketing Thinking with a people centered approach. Currently working with Amelia Capital on Progress Planner, which we mentioned. I've actually got the papery version of that somewhere lying around. Yay. A plugin designed to simplify and enhance site upkeep beyond their work life.

Sam is a passionate storyteller, d and d, Dungeons and Dragons, right? Yeah. Enthusiast and Avid Explorer of Nature often found walking through the woods in with their And Willow. Nice. Yeah. you can learn [email protected] uk. What kind of dash? We used to have a wire hair dashed.

[00:10:37] Sam Alderson: She's a shorthaired red.

Okay. Who I've just had to pick up from the vets because she ate some chewing gum yesterday.

[00:10:43] Nathan Wrigley: Oh. Oh no. Oh no. Our dogs

[00:10:47] Michelle Frechette: also add, Sam is a amazing photographer as well.

[00:10:51] Nathan Wrigley: Oh,

[00:10:51] Sam Alderson: nice. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I do. moderation on the photo directory as well.

[00:10:56] Nathan Wrigley: Nice. Nice. Yeah, there's only so much you can put into the bio, isn't there?

But I'm glad you featured Willow. That was, I put it all in.

[00:11:02] Sam Alderson: I don't know why

[00:11:03] Michelle Frechette: Sam

[00:11:03] Sam Alderson: didn't.

[00:11:04] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Oh, that's great.

[00:11:07] Sam Alderson: I'm also wearing a DD T-shirt underneath his jumper that says Roll Furnish. Oh, okay.

[00:11:12] Nathan Wrigley: It's, yeah, it's, sorry. It's, it's gone, in that marriage direction, so it's, yeah. It's all back to front.

Yeah. Have you ever heard of a thing, my kids have started playing this thing called Magic The Gathering?

[00:11:21] Sam Alderson: Magic. The Gathering, yeah. Have

[00:11:23] Nathan Wrigley: you heard of that?

[00:11:24] Sam Alderson: I have, yeah. It's a card game. Yeah. there is actually a actual computer version of it as well. Okay. It's been going for decades, probably about as long as DD Okay.

I've never got into it 'cause it's. Not really my shtick, but yeah, it's the fan base for that is just as big as DD if not bigger.

[00:11:42] Nathan Wrigley: I'd never heard of it and my kids went from like zero to addicted within, the last eight weeks or so. And it's like everything now all the money goes on these cards.

Yeah, I was thinking somebody somewhere is making so much money. Are these Yeah, these little cards. and some of them are worth an absolute fortune 'cause they do something special. You can say some words. Yeah. Really rare ones. Yeah. Yeah, really rare ones. Amazing. Amazing. Anyway, there is our panel. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Really appreciate it. Let's have a quick look at the live chat. Let's see who is here. Courtney's joining us. Thank you Courtney, for joining us. Really appreciate it Rachel Wise is saying Good morning, the afternoon over in the uk but thank you for joining us regardless. loving the holiday sweater.

I. Nice. Yeah, I didn't even make an effort with that, but nevermind. hello everyone. And this platform strips out the emojis sadly, but we get the idea. It's a hand wave, so thank you. Oh no. Apparently it doesn't strip out the emojis 'cause there's one right there. It depends using. I dunno. anyway, Reese, thank you for joining us.

Mark West Guards come in over. Greetings from a wet and overcast Brighton uk. Oh, you're in the UK already, are you? Yeah. Oh, nice. He flew in

[00:12:54] Michelle Frechette: last overnight. Yeah.

[00:12:56] Nathan Wrigley: Mark, are you gonna come along on, On Thursday, and if you are, did you get a ticket already? We'll get to that.

[00:13:02] Corey Maass: Oh, please, let Mark, like float behind you right now,

[00:13:07] Nathan Wrigley: so I'm a little buggy.

That'd be so good.

[00:13:10] Michelle Frechette: We shoulda have filmed that sometime. And I, yeah, we've got it as a green

[00:13:14] Nathan Wrigley: screen background. That would've been next time.

[00:13:17] Michelle Frechette: We'll, work on that.

[00:13:18] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Ml Hi there. Just saying hello. and here we go. Here comes the, weather forecast. Michelle's kicking us off today. Thank you. it's 37 degrees or three degrees centigrade and it's gray.

where Michelle is influenced, WP is joining us from North Carolina. lovely sonic painting behind Sam. Is that, oh, yeah. Look at that. It is 95% of games post 2003. Are we talking about Magic, the Gathering or DD

[00:13:46] Corey Maass: or Sonic?

[00:13:48] Nathan Wrigley: or Sonic. Okay. Yeah. Maybe it was Sonic. Yeah. Sorry, Reese. You'll have to, you'll have to enlighten us.

Nathan, have you moved your room around? No. yes, but I've got a camera, I've had a camera for ages, like two years, and Michelle was very helpful, but I've never plugged it in. And that's all that I've done really is just plugged the camera in.

[00:14:05] Corey Maass: Now it's outdated. And now you need a new

[00:14:07] Nathan Wrigley: one. Yeah. That

[00:14:08] Michelle Frechette: wasn't my helpful part.

My helpful part wasn't Plug your camera in, but No,

[00:14:12] Nathan Wrigley: that was really, I just never did it. I just never took the time to do it. And now I've done it and I'm, I've never used a DDS

[00:14:17] Michelle Frechette: LR that way either. Good. I go, yours is Marilyn, I believe. Good.

[00:14:20] Nathan Wrigley: So good. Yeah. and here's Marcus. Marcus,

[00:14:24] Michelle Frechette: your tall case was gone.

You had a tall bookcase. You had a tall bookcase. Yeah, I had a

[00:14:27] Nathan Wrigley: tall bookcase. And Okay, I've got something else to say. I, I bought a standing desk, right? So at the minute I'm sitting at the standing desk. But if I press this button,

[00:14:38] Corey Maass: Ooh. If we all do it at the same time,

[00:14:40] Nathan Wrigley: let's see if I can make it work.

Hold on. Can I make it work? Yeah. Come on. Look. There we go. Ah. It's not gonna work for some reason. My thumb look. There it comes. There it goes. There it goes. Look at that. Maybe that's better. Should we just leave it like that? that's great. Oh, that's hysterical. comes back down.

[00:15:00] Sam Alderson: Michelle's there.

[00:15:02] Nathan Wrigley: That's the reason Elliot

[00:15:05] Michelle Frechette: mark's there. When it comes back. Yeah. Behind you.

[00:15:11] Nathan Wrigley: Cory's really gone.

Honestly, this show sometimes descends into chaos.

[00:15:20] Michelle Frechette: That's very ableist of you standing desk people. Just kidding. I'll

[00:15:24] Nathan Wrigley: tell you what the plan is. The plan is, I've got a treadmill as well, and it's sitting there at the minute, but the idea is during my day is to do a bit of walking. Yeah, my over there at the minute and it'll be Yeah, exactly that. That's what it'll happen in a couple of time. It'll be next week. That camera's

[00:15:42] Michelle Frechette: gonna be capturing the black eye and the bruised elbow. Yeah,

[00:15:45] Nathan Wrigley: that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I deliberately got a, treadmill, which doesn't go very fast. But, anyway, back to Marcus.

Hi. We're gonna talk about you in a minute actually. I love listening to On the Move. I'm listening while taking a walk. Oh, I'm Marcus. Thank you so much for tuning. We love Paul HPE personalized WP and Filter saying hello, Rob. Kens Good morning. He says Tim Nash. Hello everyone. Gosh, we could go on, couldn't we?

Here Tammy Lister. Reese back to the card game. He's got some Master The Gather. What is it? Magic. The gathering on my desk. Magic Gathering, yeah. Would probably be my pension when I get around to shift. Yeah. Magic. The Gathering is a very expensive hobby, Nick. it is not my hobby, thankfully. It's my children.

there you go. Tammy sold her collection a year ago. Okay. I feel like WordPress is no longer the thing.

[00:16:37] Sam Alderson: We gotta get into cards this week in Magic, the Gathering. That's

[00:16:42] Nathan Wrigley: why not. Why not? WP Jackson is saying chow to everybody. Thank you. There we go. We've wrapping up for joining us on this week in WordPress.

It's been a pleasure This week. Was this

[00:16:54] Michelle Frechette: one? Giant? Hello?

[00:16:55] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that's it. We'll get to it. We will get to it. Here we go. Honestly, it's so much more fun when it's a bit silly, isn't it? Let's be honest. When it's just dry and a bit turgid and just WordPress, it's boring. So here we go, right? Let's raise what we're gonna do today.

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And then tomorrow I'll release it as an audio only podcast, so you'll get a notification about that as well. what else have we been up to? we have a white page, but no, we don't. Here it comes. this is Black Friday, believe it or not, although it's been and gone, a load of the companies in the WordPress space seem to take the, the attitude that, why not just keep it rolling?

So at the minute, all of these deals and gosh, look at it. There's, loads. Oh, I just saw one there for, yeah, look at that one, eh, one there. you can still get all of these deals and absolutely, there's hundreds of them. So if you haven't emptied your wallet. During Black Friday already responsibly?

Yeah. go to WP build.com/black and and there's still loads there. You never know. You might be able to back something. Looks like OMG IMG is still on the deal. 50% off through today. Through today. Through today. Okay. So go and do it now. ONG. Okay. Don't do it now. Don't. That's right. Yeah. Plus you're really

[00:18:34] Michelle Frechette: good at multitasking.

You are Pros.

[00:18:36] Nathan Wrigley: I'm an amateur. You've got it. okay. So yeah, wp builders.com/black. There's still a few bits and pieces there. And also just to say that we produced a podcast episode, did one with mku, last week on Thursday. it's the second in our series talking about optimizing your WordPress website.

And in the first episode, he talked about all the stuff to do before you put up your website. So hosting and things like that. And then this time it was all about what to do immediately after you've got your website going. So REMCOs really knows his stuff. Go and check it out. Episode number 401. Okay, just a quick hat tip.

I'm not going to, dwell on this for very long, but the Gutenberg times, if you're trying to keep up with the WordPress project and all the bits and pieces floating around Gutenberg site editing and all that kind of thing, I feel we don't mention this often enough. this is done by bigot, Polly Hack, who's often on this show.

And, just a bit of a hat tip gutenberg times.com. Go check it out. The most recent article is all about playground query loop filters, Gutenberg fun and games. And, it's number 312. So they've been at it for quite some time. There's absolutely loads in every single issue. So that was just a bit of a promo really for them.

speaking of people who've been around a really long time, Ray Moray has been doing the repository now for five years. says it there look celebrating five years. I was lucky enough to meet Ray. In Word Camp Asia. and we've also started doing a podcast a bit like Rimkus. We've started doing a, podcast about every three or four months, something like that.

And, so yeah, just a bit of a hat tip to Ray. If you haven't subscribed to her newsletter, just do it. do it. It's actual journalism in the WordPress space. It is not pretend journalism like I'm doing. It's it's proper, real editorial and now she's gone full time on it. And so it's, each of the stories is thoroughly researched.

There's links to just everything in there. And, she has a heritage of being an actual journalist. And so it's the real thing. She is also

[00:20:41] Michelle Frechette: a delightful human being.

[00:20:43] Nathan Wrigley: She really is. She's, she

[00:20:44] Michelle Frechette: truly is. We, included this story in WP Wonder Woman last week, and I was, and she was so delightful that she sent me an email this morning saying thank you for including her.

And I thought that was just lovely. if I don't get such an email, I'm gonna, what am I to conclude, from that? come on Ray, get the email, sending her

a message right now.

[00:21:06] Nathan Wrigley: hurry, don't subscribe, it's the repository email. Perfect. Address the repository email. Go and check it out over there.

And, So here we go. Here's some WordPress stuff specific to this week. I dunno what you all think about this, but, Nick Diego. Has had a plugin in the repository, a free plugin called Block Visibility for quite some time, and you would be able to go into your posts or pages or whatever and on a block by block basis you would be able to set a bunch of conditions to show or hide that block wr like properly useful and so much so that this proposal that you can see here is the idea of taking this into core.

I'll just quickly read, it says, this discussion explores the functionality. sorry. Adding functionality to Gutenberg to allow users to hide block content in different contexts, the idea stems from the block visibility plugin. While the plugin offers extensive features that go beyond what should be included in core, there are some specific elements that I believe would be valuable additions, including hide any block in the editor causing the block not to render on the front end.

So that's, literally stripping it out so it never reaches the browser. Or screen size hide blocks at specific brow browser widths, mobile and so on. This would be rendered on the front end, but CSS would control visibility. So it is in the HTML, it's just being hidden under certain conditions.

Starting with these two settings and making the underlying architecture extensible, would provide valuable functionality to core, whilst also allowing extenders with an official way of adding their own visibility controls. as all university lecturers do, I'm gonna say block visibility, discuss. What do you think?

I think this is a really good idea. Do you think it meets that whole 80 20 criteria for WordPress? If 80% of the people need it, it should be in core. If it's not as high as that, then probably not. I, don't know, but it seems like a really nice thing to have. over to you.

[00:23:05] Sam Alderson: I think it's a really nice thing to have, particularly for, marketers because it means you can do a whole bunch of AB testing and conditional stuff.

If they've come to me from this URL hide this block, if they've come from that URL show, this block, but also you thinking from like a, basic user point of view, does it need to be in COC and it not just stay as a plugin for those that actually need to use it like agencies and big enterprises.

[00:23:32] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, it's a good point.

quite a while ago now, it's probably as much as a year ago or something. I did, I did a podcast with Paul Halfpenny. He's probably not quite as long as that, who's in the comments. He has a, a commercial plugin called Personalized wp, which offers like the full range of, of making different things appear at for, all the conditions.

Imagine just every condition they've got it in there. And, yeah, I guess the, you could just go there, right? You could use a commercial plugin, you could use Nick's free plugin. Does it need to be in court? I, don't know. I think if it was just very, simple things, especially the ability to hide things based upon viewport, that does seem quite sensible to me.

Whether or not, I don't know. I don't, I am reluctant to bloke call Corey. Sorry.

[00:24:20] Corey Maass: It's, built into all the, all of the page builders already. I. for, to enhance mobile specific, usually mobile view or at least responsive view. as much as I would argue, we don't need most things in core, if, Gutenberg is meant to be a, proper page builder, then I would argue that it does need to be there.

Yeah. Though again, it should be, like you say, it should just be a little toggle. I use Beaver Builder and so for every module, every pair, text or image or whatever, there's, so there's just a little selector that shows the four viewpoints, view ports that they support. You toggle 'em on and off you go and they show or they don't show if it's on mobile or whatever.

And so ideally if it's that simple. which I, realize isn't the, full thing we're talking about here, but, yeah. At least the basic of it. and I think Paul's har Paul's point in Paul's half Penny's point was that a lot of the commercial rivals that WordPress is up against, so the likes of Wix and Squarespace and Site Core and Optimizely and things like that, they've all got this baked in.

[00:25:27] Nathan Wrigley: And so for users who are coming from another platform, which is gonna become more and more with, data migration opportunities, then if something like that is missing and you're not really that sure of how plugins work and you're a bit fearful of installing things 'cause you've heard about, hacking and all that, maybe, maybe this is a nice thing, but also if it's in core, all the documentation will be kept up to date.

You won't need to go Googling and search for something, which I don't know, you can't necessarily trust anything on that. Michelle, before we move on.

[00:25:58] Michelle Frechette: I agree. I think especially for, for mobile responsiveness, sometimes we put things on a desktop that's because it looks good, but doesn't necessarily render nicely and look good on mobile.

So if you can, skip those things, it's such a small amount of space. Like you scroll, you feel like you scroll forever to get to actual content, whereas on a laptop it's, or a desktop, it's so different. I think that's a really good use of it. And tablet.

[00:26:22] Nathan Wrigley: Don't discriminate against tablets.

Yeah. Does anybody use it? A tablet now? Tablet two. Has anybody got one hand raised for tablet? I don't. I've Oh, okay. Yeah, you've all got that. All right. So it's just me, mine. Okay. It's, in my bedroom because that's the television. We definitely need to keep

that. We're all right there. You've got all the tablets.

okay. Tim Nash makes an interesting point, which is about how the article continues if you keep reading. the second part of the suggestion of an API for visibility will open up load to possibility. So it's not just, available for, people in the backend, toggling switches on and off and what have you.

The idea of having developer right AB

[00:27:00] Corey Maass: testing came to mind. if you're actually trying to do, show content, specific content for specific users, or like Sam said, based on a URL show or don't show certain content, I could see those kinds of use cases too.

[00:27:14] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Thank you. And then Reese is saying, the first thing he does.

When he does custom block or dev work is create a hide show on mobile style and this would fix that. Okay. So you wouldn't have to build that anymore? It would be into, it does strike me. Yeah. Nick is a very, we've, we all know Nick. maybe we don't know him personally, but we've all come across Nick.

I'm sure he's the, real deal, isn't he? he's, I get the impression that his intuitions are always good and the mere suggestion of it from him makes me sit up and take it seriously, but a light touch, not like all the things for plugin land. So anyway, there you go. There doesn't seem to be a consensus in the comments.

Nobody's saying a yay or a nay, but yeah. There we go. All right. So that was the first piece. The other aspect

[00:27:59] Sam Alderson: as well as I just thinking while Cory was talking Yeah. Was about the fact that a lot more people are coming online as well in third world countries. They don't have access to desktop computers or tablets, they have mobiles.

So if you know that your audience is primarily in one of those parts of the world, then you can just at least do some amendments that way.

[00:28:24] Nathan Wrigley: Can I just, apropos of that, and I dunno why I didn't put this in the show notes, but you've just mentioned that, and I'm just gonna quickly raise this. So Corey will be on this podcast in two days time, but the one that's just gone past, yeah.

That co him, he's there. He is got a mug and everything. the, podcast just gone by 105 made Corey spit out liquid. That's t

[00:28:50] Michelle Frechette: I'm guess it was Yorkshire Gold Tea too. Yeah. Yes, Victory achieved. that's gonna be the episode title for sure. I made Corey spit out liquid. so I did an episode, 148 on the tavern called Steve Dunbar on Empowering Uganda with WordPress Education community initiatives.

[00:29:14] Nathan Wrigley: And because you just dropped that in Sam about, different parts of the world. this is so interesting, honestly, if you've got any interest in the WordPress community outside of your own environment, this is just fascinating and the, juxtaposition of. High school education, free software and willing teachers is just such a beautiful, coming together of different things.

And, Steve Dunbar is, one of the leading lights in education within Uganda as a whole, especially in, it. but it's, it just paints a picture of what it's like in Uganda and how WordPress has taken a bit of a foothold, the state of the school, computer labs and what they have and what they don't have.

And, and just how hungry the kids are in places like Uganda to get on the kind of distributed work thing because it enables them to do things which, which might empower them. to be, to have, different futures than they might otherwise have. So well worth a listen, wp tavern.com, click on that link in the top corner and you'll be able to, find this episode 1, 4 8.

thank you, Sam. it, can I ask a question without, knowing it? You, secretly reminding me of that. Okey dokey.

[00:30:36] Michelle Frechette: I have a que I have a question though. And because I, literally don't know the answer. Okay. If you're hiding things like blocks on mobile, does that also speed it up or is it still loading but just not showing?

Oh, interesting. I don't know. 'cause it maybe it's making it faster in places. Yeah. the

[00:30:51] Nathan Wrigley: way that, Nick is implying that it would be built, the scenario that you've just described, it would load. But then I'm guessing it would be like display non or something like that in CSS. Okay. Just to find down.

Okay. So it's not actually

[00:31:02] Michelle Frechette: speeding it up at all then. Okay. I was just curious.

[00:31:04] Nathan Wrigley: No, but, he did say, what was the other thing he said? Let me just go back to that article one second. here we go. Let me pop it on the screen. The first thing that was written. Hide. Hide any block in the editor causing the block not to render on the front end.

So you could hide the whole block. and that then would hide it on the front end. But I don't know what he means by hide. Oh no, it says not to render. So in that scenario would speed things up. Yeah. Although it might not speed things up. 'cause there'd be a service I'd hit to decide not to render it.

So I don't know. I'm just curious about that. Nick,

[00:31:37] Michelle Frechette: if you're in, if you're watching and you know the answer, let us know.

[00:31:39] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Nick, go on. tell us. Okay. There we go. Anything else to add about that or should we move on quickly? Okay, let's move on quickly in that case, right? If you are in London, this week and you fancy you're attending an event, Jamie Marsland has been, torturing people for the past year or so, making them, do a website in 30 minutes.

Oh. it's called this. Oh, that never asked me. Yeah. So I thought, let's turn the tables. And so as part of the, WordPress London Meetup we're, we're turning the tables on him and he's having to build Ling's cars in, no, he's not.

In 30 minutes, and, I know which website it is and it's totally doable. I think, basically if he doesn't do it pixel perfect, then he's a failure and he should no longer, have the, I'm pulling your leg, Jamie. it's, that's why saying Alex

[00:32:37] Michelle Frechette: Trebek of known all the answers on Jeopardy.

Let's be Yeah, that's right.

[00:32:41] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. But if you wanna come along and join us for that, there's a wait list at the moment, but you know how it goes. The wait list might well get, might well become the reality of the event. Wish

[00:32:50] Michelle Frechette: I was gonna be there.

[00:32:51] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Yeah. There. we'll see if Mark can be there. I'm gonna be there, Dan maybe is taking on Jamie Mars and I'm gonna compare the whole thing.

so expect an absolute cluster of, are you still looking for sponsors? No, luckily, we got a sponsor. I tweeted out for a sponsor and thankfully, ACTHA from WP Remote stepped in. Oh, lovely. So we, have a sponsor for this particular event, but it's happening this coming Thursday. And you can see the events there.

If you go to w meetup.com and search for WP LVN, get yourself on the wait list. It'd be great to see you. That the

[00:33:23] Michelle Frechette: speed build last Friday online? Oh yeah. Jamie ran was between Jessica IC and Matt Mullen. How did it go? Because

[00:33:32] Nathan Wrigley: I couldn't watch it. not, I couldn't watch it. I, was literally doing all the things and never got a chance to catch up.

I did

[00:33:38] Michelle Frechette: watch it in real time, but I did watch it afterwards and I'm not going to lie, I sped up towards the end a little bit. and, Matt conceded to Jessica, Okay. she, yeah, what was that she's

amazing. What could you say?

[00:33:53] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, And in it all day, every day for that one purpose, the, only little portion that I caught was somebody had saved a bit where Matt, at the beginning was saying that he's usually in the block editor on a sort of text based, his mission in WordPress is usually just writing text and then click publish.

So

[00:34:09] Michelle Frechette: I believe they were building a site of Bob Dylan. That was, oh,

[00:34:13] Nathan Wrigley: is that what it was?

[00:34:14] Michelle Frechette: yeah, You should go take a look at it. It was pretty, interesting to watch. Yeah, for

[00:34:19] Nathan Wrigley: sure. really got it though. 'cause that was the site that they were gonna do this coming Thursday. I have to go to the backup of Ling's cast then it'll have to be after that.

Oh God. Do Lings cars, ed, what's the point? We'll get 30 minutes of nothing will get done. It'll all be one animated gif. Yeah. And that'll be it. Look, the comments about Lings, Tammy, Rachel. Tammy again.

[00:34:51] Michelle Frechette: Tammy again. Then Tammy again.

I here for

[00:34:58] Nathan Wrigley: itt. Tammy's now done five comments trying to, can

[00:35:00] Michelle Frechette: you persuade to get him to do Lings? Yes.

[00:35:04] Nathan Wrigley: And then

[00:35:04] Michelle Frechette: again, do Lings.

[00:35:06] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, brilliant. It was the best thing he's ever seen on the interweb, says David Bell. you wait till Thursday. if you're gonna be there, you'll be able, I dunno if it'll, will you

[00:35:15] Michelle Frechette: be streaming at Thursday so that others can Well, no, we record

[00:35:18] Nathan Wrigley: it.

okay. So we'll be able to see it after, you'll be able to see it after. And we go to great lengths to record it. We have this camera set up of three different cameras and stuff, so it should be, hopefully it'll be good, but we're pushing ourselves outta the, The boundaries of what we normally do.

So look at this. This is getting ridiculous. It. They're coming for us with pitchforks now. LS, l and then legs. Tommy list. Tommy's. Now put six comments. Okay? let's move on. I just wanted to mention, this thing, have, any of you ever heard of a chap called Dave Weer until you just me read us the story before?

I'm the only one who doesn't have a chapter alive, and I'm the only one who's heard of Dave Weiner. Dave Weiner's, like the godfather of one of the godfathers of the internet. he wasn't like Vince Surf or what was the other, the other dude that everybody mentions when we talk about the beginning of the internet.

But he's, I think he was the person that came up with RSS feeds and things like that. he is got a, real heritage and, he's come up with a new editor, for, WordPress and it's called Word Land. Maybe he's just a bit, he's not that into what Gutenberg can do, but look at this.

I'll just show you a picture of it. That's it. That is what he's built this word land thing. Now it supports things like categories and so on. It's, it's just the very beginnings of it, but honestly, when somebody like him gets involved in a project, you expect him to do fairly serious things.

So I just thought I'd give that a bit of a mention, not because I'm proposing you use it, but just so that you can go and have a look. He's got the domain name. This how. Forward slash word land. You can go and check it out and see what

[00:37:03] Michelle Frechette: I, really wanted it to be like Disneyland and Legoland and I wanted blog roll to be like the best rollercoaster ever.

I'm just say

[00:37:11] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. Oh yeah. he's he's open for, it's an early stages in this project. Michelle, just drop him an email. He's he's a very, he's a very, when do we break ground?

[00:37:22] Michelle Frechette: That's what I wanna know.

[00:37:25] Nathan Wrigley: Para can Speed build the

[00:37:26] Michelle Frechette: website. We can get Jamie, to speed build the website one of these days.

[00:37:31] Nathan Wrigley: Oh my goodness. I'm gonna insist that whatever website they build, it with Word land. That's the only caveat. you just made me. Fill liquid out of my mouth too.

Victory is mine. So only Sam, only the domino of Sam. I'm put over here. Sam, will you just spit some, will you just spit some liquid out so that I've got the full trifecta of guests? Just do it. I cannot wait. Says Dave and, Tim Nash mixing up the internet and the web. Yes, indeed. yeah. Okay. Yes, I am mixing up the internet and the web.

You're right. I apologize. anyway, go and check it out. I just thought it was an interesting little project. Something else. Else. Which is interesting by the way. Loving that website. What do you make of that? Isn't that nice? Just let's just all go. For a minute. Yeah, you're doing it. It's loving it.

Their

[00:38:30] Sam Alderson: own product to make a lovely website.

[00:38:32] Nathan Wrigley: Look at that. Isn't that nice? I dunno why it's so nice. It's green on blacks. It's very cool, isn't it? Very Matrix. So if you've ever tried to do grid. within WordPress, you'll know how hard it can be and loads of different plugins have tried to tackle it in various different ways.

And here's another one. It's called Advanced Columns. I've not tried it. I literally know nothing about it, but as soon as I saw the website, I thought, yeah, let's mention that 'cause it looks great. you can see what it says on the screen if you are watching the professional plugin for creating layouts in WordPress.

it says, built on the CSS Grid Foundation. The Advanced Columns plugin is the most powerful and flexible layout block for WordPress. So it is a block, it's done inside the block editor. Honestly, I can't say more than that, but, I know that a lot of people are shouting out for this and there's various different things being built, by various different developers.

This one has shipped, it's not new, it's version 1.41, but I'd never heard of it before. So thought I'd mention it. Anybody got anything to add? Frustrations with Grid or tried it out or anything? Probably not. No. No.

[00:39:37] Michelle Frechette: Okay.

[00:39:38] Nathan Wrigley: I'll take a sip of water.

[00:39:40] Michelle Frechette: Spit it out.

[00:39:45] Nathan Wrigley: Rachel,

[00:39:46] Michelle Frechette: you have to spit it out too though. Do I? Oh,

[00:39:48] Nathan Wrigley: dam it. Join the group. Alright, I've got, can I have a receptacle to spit it?

Laboratory

[00:40:00] Corey Maass: aluminum.

[00:40:04] Nathan Wrigley: Hang on. I'm gonna have to clean myself up now. I'm not doing that again. Michelle. Don't ask that again. I didn't force you that had coffee in it as well. That had coffee in it. So I've got brown, got brown liquid. Oh, dear me. I literally soaking. Okay. Sam, did you spit out any liquids yet?

Because it's not

[00:40:26] Sam Alderson: hundred percent. Absolutely.

[00:40:30] Nathan Wrigley: you did not. You liar. I don't believe a word. Don't believe a word. Okay. let's get to Rachel. Rachel said I had to build my own blocks like this. Yeah, indeed. maybe go check it out, Rachel. Stop. We could maybe stop reinventing the wheel. I don't know what it's like.

Rob says he's dying. He's dying here. is all I'll say. That's the end of, that's why you have a

[00:40:53] Corey Maass: co-host so somebody else can take over while That's right. I'll go get a towel. Michelle,

[00:40:58] Nathan Wrigley: you take over. okay.

[00:41:02] Michelle Frechette: I can't, control the screen though. That's the problem.

[00:41:04] Nathan Wrigley: I can make you, I can put you in charge if you like.

This platform allows me to do that, but I often fear that's gonna end up in chaos. okay. Professionalism

[00:41:13] Corey Maass: of this podcast.

[00:41:14] Nathan Wrigley: It's already, especially

[00:41:15] Michelle Frechette: with me in charge. Yeah,

[00:41:17] Nathan Wrigley: it's already chaos, right? Here we go. Let's do the next one. don't know quite what the, thinking is here, but, let's see what you make of this.

So if you are a jet pack user. And I don't know if this is unlike, the free version or a paid version or what, but, it's an interesting idea. It's called Sharing Social Notes with Jetpack Social. It says quickly express your thoughts and share them across your social networks without the hassle of formatting or titles perfect for spontaneous or schedule posts that keep your audience engaged.

So it says here, you must have the Jetpack social plugin. you need to have it connected to Jetpack correctly, and obviously you need to connect whatever social networks you want to do. And then there's a few screenshots. But the idea is, you can see here, I dunno if you can see that on the screen particularly well, you've got like this custom post type called social notes, and basically it looks like, you I know it's a bit like Hootsuite or what are those Yeah.

some other ones that do the same kind of thing. Buffer. Buffer and so on. That's right. but built inside your WordPress website. I, dunno if, I dunno why, you would wanna. Make social stuff inside a WordPress. I, don't know, I'm just not entirely sure. This is honestly

[00:42:33] Corey Maass: great. I built, a tweet scheduler a hundred years ago, for this kind of purpose 'cause I, and then abandoned it because, keeping connected to Twitter's, API even back in whatever it was, six years ago, eight years ago, was, not a hill I wanted to climb.

but, I, use, Buffer, but I've paid for radar and like a bunch of these things. But I'm, a big fan of I having things where you're already logged in and probably working. And so if you're, already a content creator and you're already writing blog posts, but you're like, as you're hypothetically, right?

As you're, this is why I built. A tweet scheduler a hundred years ago, like hypothetically, while you're writing a blog post, you're like, oh, I'm thinking about this little thought. Let me, just queue all these up and then my Twitter feed will stay full and active rather than me having to jump over to Twitter kind of thing was, at least was my thinking at the time.

Yeah. So I can, see that kind of advantage and, scheduling them as well. that's keeping a full cue rather than tweeting 10 in a row and then being quiet all day, that kind of thing.

[00:43:55] Nathan Wrigley: I, get it. Yeah. Now that you say that, that makes a lot more sense. 'cause if you're in there.

If you're in the WordPress admin anyway. And I imagine for a lot of people that the purpose of sharing something will be the blog post, right? Or something like that. Yeah. And whilst it looks like you've gotta go to a different screen, it doesn't look like there's a way in the post editor to have a bit of meta, a meta field where you could carry this action out.

It looks like you've gotta then open a new tab, go to what have you, but at least you're there, aren't you doing it at the same time and what have you. And you're right, you can schedule them. I should probably put it back on the screen actually.

[00:44:27] Corey Maass: and, their, description is, a little, features not benefit.

I don't, the description of, it's weird, I have to say, but like their, comment, it took me a minute, their comment about without formatting and without titles is because basically you're writing tweets or, Instagram posts or Facebook posts where you are. So if you scroll all the way up, like their first comment was about.

without worrying about a title or formatting, and all they're saying is 'cause Twitter doesn't really support that. Yeah. And so it's, meant to be quick thoughts that are just broadcast for you. which is again, what I like about these, other tools or, Hootsuite, same thing where it's like you're in theory, you're already in there and so you're not opening up another tab, which.

As you point out, you have to anyway, but anyway, that's,

[00:45:19] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, I get your point. Yeah. So, here's the workflow. You, open up this new custom post type you, and you can see on the screen here, if you are able to watch this, then you just write, there's no title. It's just almost like it's a paragraph block, essentially.

It's what it looks like. You write your text out, share it by toggling on which social networks you want to use. And then I guess you click publish at the top there. And then you can also reshare things that you have previously written that's neat. You log into something, go to a post that you've already written and then you can share it another time.

Whereas I guess in things like Hootsuite, you need to copy and paste it into, I dunno, and dah You can she, pick the URL shortener for that kind of thing. And obviously you've gotta take notice of the character limits for different social networks. But basically it's putting a kind of hoop sweetie type thing, straight down, bare minimum.

[00:46:15] Corey Maass: So it's, to me, I hope that it's the first step for, so part of why I use or I really like Buffer is somebody watching a YouTube video.

[00:46:25] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, I can hear somebody. I dunno if it's some, you've all got headphones on. Yeah. That's weird. I dunno what that is. yeah.

[00:46:33] Corey Maass: But anyway, the in like Buffer has a really great browser extension.

And so if you're looking at a post and you click the browser extension, it sets you up to just then reshare that content. Like it makes it really easy to just schedule like, oh, I'm reading this awesome article on WP Builds, let me throw it into my queue, which then gets auto shared to Facebook and Twitter or whatever it is.

and if you've highlighted some text, the browser extension actually pulls that out as an excerpt. And so I would hope that, maybe this is like a first step where exactly what you, commented on just a second ago, the advantage I could see being, okay, I've written this blog post now, let me combine the, that separate functionality.

But let me look at one of my blog posts and pull out some excerpts that are then added to the queue of these social. what do they call them? Notes, social notes. Yeah. That then get broadcast out. And so it's, I just, as you say, it's a great way to read. I'm with clients, I'm constantly advocating for this.

I'm like writing a blog post. Is the, or an article or whatever is the first step. How, we make a whole campaign out of it. How much, how can we share this piece of content every day for the next two weeks to make it worth, and, doing and getting eyes back to the website. So if you write a great blog post, if you could then create 10 social notes out of really good drop quotes.

like that guy Corey commenting about if an image is compressed, on the internet, but nobody goes and looks at it, then, just genius little snippets like that, that get shared to social. here's the, advantage. wait. and then I.

[00:48:21] Nathan Wrigley: Oh yeah. Nice. What, they really need to do though is they need some sort of image editing thing so that, along with your little social notes thing, wouldn't it be handy if there was a plugin, Corey, that could put like on the fly, create you something that would be, I dunno, let's call it a social image or a, something like that and, a, an OG image, wouldn't that be great?

And, as if by magic Cory's already bill. So

[00:48:45] Michelle Frechette: it is worth noting that it is not part of the free jet pack. So I realize that copy paste didn't look, didn't really do what I wanted it to. It's 4 95. It's okay. A month bill annually for the first year, and then it's 9 95 a month thereafter. Build annually, so whatever, $120 whatever a year.

[00:49:01] Nathan Wrigley: Yep,

[00:49:02] Michelle Frechette: yep. it does not include Twitter slash x. the API is not supported for that. So if you are hoping that it's going to impact, how you tweet it will not be part of that. But it does have blue sky. So that's my next, little type there in the. Chat is include Facebook, Instagram. Yeah,

[00:49:21] Nathan Wrigley: Facebook.

Instagram Threads, blue sky, LinkedIn mustard on Tumblr. Next door, Never even heard of that one. okay. Yeah, that's interesting. It very widely

[00:49:29] Michelle Frechette: used here in the us by the way, next

[00:49:31] Nathan Wrigley: door. Okay. Okay. I think if they made this so that it was available in the sidebar in the same way that the minute the Crossposting is that would be cool.

So you could write it all in the same interface. 'cause honestly, that little text box where you put the excerpt, that's enough for this social note, isn't it? You're literally writing less than 280 characters, I'm imagining. Yeah. To get it in across most of these, I think Blue Sky's limit is 300, which seems to be, that's, fairly generous, isn't it, compared to X and what have you.

I think Jet Pack has stopped supporting X as well because of the cost of the, use of the API. So anyway, yeah, there it is. It's now there. If you've got a paid for.

[00:50:10] Michelle Frechette: So following what Corey said, if a blog post lands in the internet and nobody is there to read it, did it make an impact?

[00:50:18] Nathan Wrigley: It, yeah.

Yeah. It's a sad fact. Yeah.

[00:50:21] Michelle Frechette: Yeah. Somebody write that down. That was a beautiful take. Quick. that

[00:50:24] Nathan Wrigley: was momentous. Yeah. Quickly, somebody write it down. Rob Ken saying he thinks, I think what we have to look at is what our workflow is. And does purchasing a tool like this save us time, which means saving us money.

Hundred percent. Yeah. And I think that's right. I'm, I think for some people this will be a total no-brainer, right? Because you're right there at that moment, it'll offset the cost of another tool. and it'll do exact, enough of what you need. But I am keen to see it dropping into the, post editor.

'cause I feel that's where, Yeah, it would be most useful. And then combine it with O-M-G-I-M-G or something like that. Yeah, absolutely. There's a tool like that. Some dude somewhere built. okay. Okay. There we go. So that's in jet pack. but you've gotta pay for it. Let's move on. So we spoke to Marcus Ett a little while ago.

He was on the, in the chat. I hope he's still with us. Maybe he is. Maybe he's not. This is, this mark. What the heck, Marcus? Marcus has got a TA thing, he's been working on a premium plugin. For a while, and honestly, Marcus, I didn't even know you were doing it, and I'm sorry, the fault is all lying with me.

advance Composer Blocks for newsletter is what it's called. And, I saw a tweet from Marcus, I think it was in the last seven days, saying that after a period of time trying to, make it a, a premium thing, and not getting the traction that he was hoping for, he's moved everything over into a free version.

And, so I just wanted to give it a bit of a mention really. as you'll know from everything I've just said, I haven't used it, but, I think it's fair to say I like Marcus a lot. He's been on this show a lot and you can see it here, advanced composer blocks for newsletter, and there you go.

it's got that sort of like MailChimp, what's the active campaign feel to it? Where you drag different blocks into the Yeah. The post editor and you're off to the races. I don't know if Marcus is intending to now that it's all free. Dunno if Marcus is intending to, to carry on, developing.

We're still here. Oh, Neat, neat. He says, oh, I'm still here. Nice. Tell us more, Marcus. are you good? Is, the plan to stop monetizing it entirely? Or are you just, are you putting what's in the premium version into the free version and then hoping to add more premium stuff in the future?

and there you go. Look, we've got your customer already. Wow. This sounds great, Rachel. It just

[00:52:50] Sam Alderson: sound really cool.

[00:52:51] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, exactly right. Really, cool. Emailing

[00:52:55] Sam Alderson: WordPress really hard. Mark

[00:52:58] Nathan Wrigley: Marcus, next comment.

[00:53:00] Sam Alderson: Comment.

[00:53:02] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna, I'm so glad I wasn't drinking coffee at that moment.

I'm just gonna spit out some more liquid. Lemme just, lemme just have a little bit of liquid. because didn't promote Sam's

[00:53:13] Michelle Frechette: term to do that

[00:53:14] Nathan Wrigley: made the whole thing free. That's right. That's what it was. we've obliterate. Nathan is a king maker. It was done here first. Oh dear. this sentence will never be true.

so yeah, so Marcus, if, we carry on talking and move on to other things, I'd really appreciate it. If you tell us, a little bit more, that'd be great. I have used a plugin have, in fact I still do something, it may be similar to is, newsletter Glue. yes. Which

allows you to build things in the block editor and you've got that hide show feature.

we were talking earlier about hiding and showing, but in this scenario the toggle is, do you want it to show in the blog post and or the newsletter and every block that you switch on for the newsletter gets sent to MailChimp or whatever, and every block that you say, just show it in the post goes on the front end of your website.

So in that way, you can create the newsletter inside of the post and just hide bits that you don't think belong in a newsletter. Yeah. that are gonna get hit by the spam filter and what have you. So, there you go. no leaving it free. Okay. Here we go. nope. Leaving it free and continuing to add and maintain features.

Thank you. Marcus and, Nathan's lack of promoting my plugin is why I didn't write it. Yeah, me too. Honestly, Tim, I've, written thousands of plugins that I never wrote. loads of them, absolutely tons of them. More or less on a daily basis. I'm writing plugins that I'm never gonna write. It's brilliant. You should, maybe that's the episode title.

Anyway. There you go. Thank you, Marcus. Go check it out. The

[00:54:51] Michelle Frechette: plugins I didn't write.

[00:54:53] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. How many times, come on, how many domain names have you got for things that you thought you'd build and then literally the next morning you, wake up and go, I'm never doing that. Never. Yeah. You

[00:55:09] Michelle Frechette: I'm still clinging to one for just five.

Five for eight years. Five. Yeah. I've let them all go, but one that I really wanna develop. But go on. No,

[00:55:16] Nathan Wrigley: I wanna develop this. Let's go through one at a time, Michelle, if you're willing to say what it is, because it's not something that you still feel has got legs or whatever. what was that?

[00:55:24] Michelle Frechette: No, I think it still has legs. I just want somebody to do it for me for, because I dunno, do you wanna say it?

[00:55:30] Nathan Wrigley: Do you wanna say it out loud or do you Yeah, I

[00:55:32] Michelle Frechette: own WP Wiki. Oh, and I think that, right? Like I think that could be really helpful to have all of these ideas and things in one place. And I just want other pe it's a free thing.

I want other people to wanna contribute to it and figure out how to make it happen. And I don't ha know how to move that forward at this point. So if anybody wants to help with that, I will gladly give you admin access.

[00:55:54] Nathan Wrigley: I would read that every time as WPW, icky.

I dunno why. That's just the way my head would pause it. okay. That's a great idea. Somebody get on, right? So Tim Nash, now you've got a mission, right? It's not good enough.

[00:56:11] Michelle Frechette: Tim DM me later.

[00:56:13] Nathan Wrigley: Yes. Not good enough sitting in the comments. You've now got to build things. Corey, you've just let go of five you said.

What, just like me. Oh, wow. just things that you think that'll be great and then Oh,

[00:56:24] Corey Maass: yeah. No. and things that I, I'm, the type of developer who, adamantly refuses to pay a few dollars a month for things. So instead I'm gonna spend hundreds or thousands of hours building something that I'm never gonna use.

And probably nobody else is either, and I'm certainly not gonna make any money off of it. but I, in the last couple of years I found their.express, TLD and, I just love it. and it's not very common. For whatever reason, nobody's found it. and so I managed to get a lot of like single word.

So like I own screenshot, express, ah, crop Do. Crop express is actually a thing. That's one of the first things that I built two years ago, that get, does get used, which is nice, like nice little utility website. but I bought, so Screenshot Express is gonna become a thing and actually is a, WordPress plugin that I have yet to, put out there for free, but it's gonna be screenshots in WordPress, but it's all written.

It was my first experiment of letting, having a whole plugin written by ai, I. And so just wanted to let it do its thing, and then, steps express or, and Step Express. I just let go. I had built my own little sort of to-do multi whatever to-do list kind of thing, but with a twist, like every freaking developers built a thousand of them.

and then the other one that I'm, I don't wanna let go, but I'm gonna make myself let go is Timer Express. Ooh. As a little right? As a little, productivity timer or Time. I originally bought it as a time tracker for client work. but it's, I the. And I, this is, this is so typical. Like I built this gorgeous UI and so the UI is just sitting there and I just want it so badly to exist, but even I'm not gonna use it if I'm honest and it's just so pretty and I did a thing and I'm so proud it's my baby.

But I need to just, I just need to let the damn thing go. I'm

[00:58:33] Nathan Wrigley: gonna tell a dad joke. Are you ready? I bought Slow Express,

the humorous portion over with, I, never, got around to buying, I never got around to buying Procrastination Express. That's been

really

[00:58:53] Corey Maass: clever with the

[00:58:54] Nathan Wrigley: sound effect there, but it was really quiet. It should have done this. There you go. what was the one that you bought? Timer Express, did you say?

Yep. Ready?

Yeah. Okay. Enough of the sound effects I needed. Sam, any domains that you've sat and bought and thought better of it in the morning?

[00:59:19] Sam Alderson: I've, so I've got one that I've had for a while now. and actually now that I have a bit more free time, I might pick back up. it's streets of york.co.uk and it's just highlighting all the little streets within York itself.

That do

[00:59:34] Nathan Wrigley: you mean Snickets?

[00:59:35] Sam Alderson: Yes, Snickets, alleyways. All of that sort of stuff that I use on a very regular basis to avoid tourists. And when friends come and visit York and I say, let's go down this dark alleyway, they go, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, it's fine. I want to do little bits and pieces of just show a bit more of York and just from an actual.

Person that's lived in Europe as well. But I've got the Instagram, I've got the Twitter, I've got the website. I've just, I bought it like four or five years ago and I did a little bit on it and it's just been shelved and I'm just should I pick that back up?

[01:00:15] Nathan Wrigley: Sam? I'm gonna, I'm gonna surprise you.

Every word I'm about to say is true. Okay. No, I'm not lying. About 20 years ago I registered a domain called to, and in the UK we say audio, like things you hear as audio and we say the word tour, like you're going on a guided tour. Yeah. We don't say tour like you do in the US or you say it differently to us anyway, don't you?

So I registered tour and I, built a website that would enable you to do a tour of York.

[01:00:49] Sam Alderson: Ooh.

[01:00:49] Nathan Wrigley: And I wrote it. I wrote all the different pieces and I was at the point of, getting all the GPS stuff figured out. and then the iPhone launched. Oh. And, and it was like, nobody's gonna use this anymore.

'cause all the GPS and everything was built into the iPhone. But I honestly, that's so weird that you said that. yeah. I've got, and I was just, I glanced up as soon as you said tours of your, I glanced up and I've got about 15 books about the history of York just from, oh, I read everything to do with York and, and I've forgotten literally all of it except that it exists, but how weird is that?

What a serendipitous moment that was. Yeah. very cool. Okay. I bought one the other day and it's mer when you, like say something's a bit crap, you say me? Yeah. I bought mere meditation and my idea was that I was gonna do really, lousy meditation. that would just put you on edge.

And, make you feel really uncomfortable and as if I'm gonna do that. I thought

[01:02:01] Corey Maass: it was a really good idea. But again, now, like I, believe strongly in this is the internet that I miss, is these silly little websites that did silly little things. Michelle and I were talking about hamster dance the other day.

we need this to exist now. And yeah, I believe that this is where AI comes in. we all need to buy these stupid domains like we always do, usually after a glass of wine. And then, and then spend the next four hours. but give yourself that. That time block. And go, okay, come on, Claude, you and me for the next four hours.

And the bottle of wine. Until the wine, is gone. Yeah. Like we are gonna, and whatever we have, we launch, build it. Yep. And you and you put it and throw it online and it, and throw some Google ads on it. Or don't. and tell all your friends about it. 'cause all this stuff needs to exist.

this is what the internet is for,

[01:03:02] Michelle Frechette: to

[01:03:02] Corey Maass: be fair. That is the

[01:03:03] Michelle Frechette: hackathon I want to go to.

[01:03:05] Corey Maass: Yeah, That

[01:03:07] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, Shiny. I'm gonna, I'm gonna register that domain, build it in four hours.com or something. Okay. As if it wasn't weird enough. Four hour website com by Tim. Yeah. As if it wasn't weird enough that Sam did that, and I built an audio tour thing.

Check out this comment from Tim Nash. Now either Tim Nash is lying, or this is too weird. He says. Okay, this is spooky. I started a website for doing ghost tours of York in 2002. Oh, which one? All that. All that I have to say is where's Michelle's York project and where's Corey's York project? Because, all the cool kids are doing a York project.

Seriously. Tim Register,

[01:03:54] Sam Alderson: york projects.co york

[01:03:56] Nathan Wrigley: projects.com. That's so weird. okay, so Michelle, I'm gonna read out what you wrote. Cory's actually runaway, at this point,

[01:04:07] Corey Maass: it's not York, but, my obsession with, Yorkshire Gold Tea. so I'm not wearing the t-shirt. I, wore it yesterday, but I've actually started, I've created all my own merch.

so for those who don't know, this is, way Insider baseball. This is actually the original artwork that is on the box of Yorkshire Gold Tea. Yeah, it is.

[01:04:32] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, wow. And I've

[01:04:33] Corey Maass: printed it out and it just sits around the room. And people, people, this is also a guest room, so people who come and visit are like, oh, that's such a pretty painting.

what is that? I'm like, it's the box Hale. York.

[01:04:45] Nathan Wrigley: York is, yeah. So York is the center. We've got our, the universe. It would appear, I was there about three days ago, and there's a magnificent, so outside the Minster, there's a statue of, Constantine. Yeah. Who was the Roman Emperor, who was actually, there's a lot behind this.

But essentially the, reason that Christianity took over the world was because Constantine was the first emperor to, become a Christian. And with his mother Helena, they promoted it far and wide. there's more in it than that. But anyway, he was, he was made emperor in York. there you go.

okay. Nathan has a York story. Sam has a York story. Corey has a York story. The what? Where's, Michelle's York story?

[01:05:33] Michelle Frechette: I love York. Peppermint Patties.

[01:05:35] Nathan Wrigley: That'll do York story number four. Perfect. There we go. That's ideal. okay, let's go back to the comments. tacho visited York for Vi Viking first course.

Of course you did. And now I want to go back there because it was fun. That's great. To be fair, says Tim. to be fair, Sam, Nathan and I live within 30 minutes of York, so perhaps it's not as weird as it seems. Yeah, that's true. That is true. and then we just got some spam comment about organic gardening, which we're just gonna leave, but, thank you for that, whoever you are.

But did you see my,

[01:06:09] Michelle Frechette: you started to put my, my, my post up there a second ago. Oh, I actually let go this year. WP Cupid, which was supposed to be like a dating site and then also WP Cat Lady. And now I think I know why WP Qid might not have worked because I'm a WP Cat lady, oh, you let go of that.

[01:06:31] Corey Maass: So more serendipity. I, years ago was like, we need a word camp dating. Site. So because that's

[01:06:39] Michelle Frechette: what that was supposed to be.

[01:06:40] Corey Maass: Here is, a safe space and we'll have like people within WordPress, but they could, you chat a little bit, however it's moderated and however you're paired.

But then you'd meet at Word camps because again, like generally a safe space, generally you might know some other people and other people can chaperone and make sure that it's, safe and okay. you're not just meeting people in a, dark alleyway in York. so I, got all fired up at, some Word camp, that I was gonna make a, word camp dating.

I'm so

[01:07:16] Nathan Wrigley: pleased

[01:07:16] Corey Maass: that

[01:07:16] Nathan Wrigley: we've all wasted countless hours of our lives. Get also disappointed

[01:07:20] Michelle Frechette: out that I actually live in New York.

[01:07:23] Nathan Wrigley: I, know. And how the heck did you not spot that new? That is so brilliant. Marcus, I'm very disappointed in

[01:07:29] Michelle Frechette: myself.

[01:07:29] Nathan Wrigley: You live in New York, which apparently used to be New Amsterdam, didn't it?

The city of New York was the new Amster. The city of York was

[01:07:35] Michelle Frechette: new Amsterdam. That's true.

[01:07:36] Nathan Wrigley: But, even all New York was

once

[01:07:38] Corey Maass: new Amster new Amsterdam

[01:07:41] Nathan Wrigley: people. Look it better that way. We're never gonna get through all of our stuff. No, we're never gonna get through all this. And Tim n right along Tim Nash says, his great granddad has a statue in the Minster.

[01:07:52] Sam Alderson: My

[01:07:53] Nathan Wrigley: great, granddad Doesn.

[01:07:56] Sam Alderson: Kind is not either.

[01:07:57] Nathan Wrigley: No. You see we're in the majority. Tim, your granddad's weird. He gonna okay. Let's get back to the WordPress stuff show. That was fun though. That was a fun aside. Thank you for Yeah. Entertaining me there. just wanna say that, Andy Regan, who had the GI data plugin has, moved a proportion of the functionality over to get up data light.

I won't go into the technical details 'cause actually there is a lot of technical details there, but if you have been, wondering what's happened to that, I think Andy has, in the, more recent past, because of all that's going on in the WordPress space. Andy, I think, forgive me Andy if I've misrepresented, but, I think Andy has decided to step away.

and so this is, something that he's doing to make it possible for people to still use the update plugin, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff that you've gotta read here if that's something that you're doing, so that you're familiar with it. Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that. S stepping away, in some sense, if the new font library is something that you've, deployed and you are, that client that you've got who likes to explore every single menu item has stumbled across the font library and has then put comic sands over your entirely beautiful website.

just something here from Justin Tadlock, a little snippet of text, which is gonna take you about four seconds to put somewhere on your website. it's a filter which will disable the font library. So if you've got clients butchering your beautiful pixel, perfect design, you can head here and find out how to, do that.

[01:09:34] Corey Maass: This

is, the font library within Gutenberg? Yeah, that's right. Okay. Yeah, There's, that's my

[01:09:40] Nathan Wrigley: understanding. Anyway. Yeah.

[01:09:41] Corey Maass: Yeah. This is further digression, but related, I swear it, this has been an interesting. Topic for me recently, because I first of all didn't, know this existed until just recently.

And in asking on post status about is there a standard way to add custom fonts, in, even I think I asked in the developer channel, so like these are the nerdiest of the nerds. And a lot of people were like, I didn't know this existed. and past that there for, there really is. Has not been a standard way of adding fonts to WordPress, of course, because a lot of it depends on what builder you're using.

but then it turns out that even in the block editor there is now this thing, which I'm glad exists because maybe that'll help to start to normalize this, but I, this is, it's just interesting that there hasn't been, there are a couple of very popular plugins, but most page builders have their own method for wanting to add fonts and then dot, so it's just, it's interesting.

The topic of fonts has, been on my mind a lot recently and I'm, this is, interesting that this is the next step Yeah. Of maybe this normalizes it, but now we wanna disable it.

[01:11:00] Nathan Wrigley: some people probably do. The I think it's, my guess is it's probably, this whole initiative has probably been pushed by legislation largely coming outta Europe, I would've thought.

Where people have been, taken to court, I dunno whether successfully or not, but I think it was in Germany there was a court case. Yeah. Some in Germany. Was it Germany? Yeah. And and I think it was because of the use of a Google font that was basically copy and paste it into the website, not self posted.

Yeah. and so most, of the commercial themes out there now have, some sort of toggle option to enable local Google fonts and And obviously WordPress is stepped up here and now you've got something akin to the media, Iris, you've got a whole interface just for. but it's,

[01:11:45] Corey Maass: what, was interesting was it how far, how deep it was in settings.

a lot of people were like, oh, I didn't know. I hadn't found this.

[01:11:56] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, okay. And so it,

[01:11:56] Corey Maass: it still seems like it's not, and maybe that's good, like for exactly Nathan's point, we don't want clients stumbling upon it. like disabling the good and bad of the plugin directory, is clients are just like, Ooh, free plugins install all we need a snow effect, it's wintertime.

and so by the same token, it's the, oh, free fonts install all brake website. So maybe it's okay that it's a little hard to find, but it is hard to find. It's interesting because

[01:12:30] Nathan Wrigley: if you nerd out on the WordPress news like I do, then it was, I've known about this for such a long time, but there is, there really is no successful vehicle for getting.

Important bits of information like that to the diaspora. Ooh. I got to say diaspora, I'm really happy I can grab that domain. Yeah. Yeah. That was a whole social network for a while, wasn't it? But the point being that if you are Wix and Squarespace, you can just keep pushing that in the ui, can't you?

You can just say, okay, here's the new feature, watch the video and what have you. And I know we have that moment when WordPress updates where you get that sudden splash screen, you've updated and here's, but it's always a big scrolly thing. Yeah. It's like a full webpage, but dropping information about that.

And, I know, speaking of Jamie Marsland, again, I know that he's probably the person that's on point with all of this now with his U WordPress YouTube channel, getting that information out there. But it, it does seem to me at least, that was. Obvious 'cause I just follow this stuff habitually, but clearly, you are massively into WordPress and yet it missed, the target there.

So that's interesting. Michelle and I

[01:13:39] Corey Maass: talk about this a lot of just, yeah, there's, we are, all in a bubble, whether we'd like to admit it or not, but it's, and the hope is that we are things like this, podcasts like this, newsletters with, we talk about hopefully reach the edges.

But, both of my folks have WordPress sites. My neighbor has a WordPress site, like the local, I, I just built a new website for the local little ski hill that's a nonprofit. And like nobody, if, I wasn't. Their neighbor, essentially. Yeah. Yeah. They would have no clue about any of this stuff.

There's just isn't. In fact, all they wanna do is remove the, dashboard widgets, which used to, I feel like, used to be intended to deliver this kind of information. they just want them removed 'cause they're a distraction. And so it's, they're not, but they're not reading newsletters.

They're, expecting a Wix like experience

[01:14:39] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.

[01:14:39] Corey Maass: Of signing in and just finding whatever features they need. And there, it's.

[01:14:45] Nathan Wrigley: Tako made a good point, which of course is true, which I failed to mention that the, splash screen is only shown to the person updating the version of WordPress.

So only that one person gets to see it for that one moment, which makes, I thought you were gonna have the

[01:14:58] Corey Maass: comment above that one.

[01:15:00] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that, that comment is great. thanks, Tako. everybody needs snow on their website. It's coming. Don't just blink and it'll be there. we've now what, 20 odd. I can't do maths with less than a hundred days away from Christmas.

And, and so the website is, all the websites are gonna have, snow on soon. Just, you wait. And, speaking of websites, WP Cupid sounds like a con code of conduct. Code of conduct violation.

[01:15:31] Michelle Frechette: I already let it go. Re. Oh,

[01:15:33] Nathan Wrigley: somebody else has bagged it by now. I bet you somebody's had it already.

[01:15:37] Michelle Frechette: I bet they do.

[01:15:38] Nathan Wrigley: and it belongs on the dark web. Now

[01:15:42] Michelle Frechette: I'm lucky.

[01:15:43] Nathan Wrigley: Okay, so there you go. So now that we've said all of that about the font library and how marvelous it is, why don't you, why don't you just go and disable it. There you go. See, there you go. Is that we're

[01:15:54] Michelle Frechette: talking about?

[01:15:55] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. But I can see the point, right?

with great power comms Great. Something. Yeah. And, The idea of pushing this out to clients and them having the option to, change things in ways that you perhaps didn't realize they were able to do in the past is, is probably gonna be a thing you wanna disable for some clients, right?

Okay. Okay. So I was on a call, a few nights ago with, a variety of different people, one of whom was, Adam Zelensky. And Adam Zelensky is the person behind playground. If you haven't used playground, it's complete voodoo. you'll click a button and inside your browser you'll get a website.

And I literally mean inside your browser. It's not hosted anywhere. Except on your machine in a bunch of files and an SQL-like database. It, honestly, it's transformational. But the, thing about it has been that it's been hard to, create websites that are what you want. You just spin up a website and it's a vanilla version of website, but you wanna go a little bit further.

So this idea of blueprints has come along where you can. create different kinds of WordPress websites with things pre-installed, but that, of course has technical, difficulties associated with it. And so this was mentioned in that call, and it's brilliant. So it's the WordPress playground step library, and basically you go down the left and you pick the things that you want the website to have.

So for example, let's say that we wanna create a playground library and have it on our computer, but we want to install a plugin. And let's go for the example of WooCommerce. Brilliant. And we wanna install a theme. You can obviously type in the, string for that, but let's go for, I don't know, link Folio, which is a theme.

Let's add some media while we're at it and you can upload the media. We'll add a couple of posts and a couple of pages. You get the idea and you go through this click point interface. And then you create your playground website. And I know that maybe isn't something that you're excited about, but I just thought this was a really cool way of people getting started.

And then you can save these. But also just for the developers out there, here's the output code that it's gonna do to create that website. And then linked to that is the Sandbox site powered, powered by playground. And I'll just read this 'cause it's hard to encapsulate with this plugin.

So this is a plugin, create a copy of your site in a private playground instance, just like we've been saying, test plugins from the WordPress directory without installing them on your site. Your site is cloned in playground, so if you've got a WordPress website, you install this, it'll create a clone of that website.

On your machine, which you can then play with. Nothing is uploaded to any cloud service or anything like that. And, the data from your website is put directly into your browser and you'll be the only person that can use it. honestly, I know that's a bit geeky, but I just think this is super cool of what's going on with playground and I feel that we haven't yet imagined what's possible.

But anyway, there you go. Apologies if that was a bit uninteresting, but I thought that was absolutely fascinating. and I shall now go and spit some water.

[01:19:15] Sam Alderson: I suppose the clone in the website thing is just give it to a client here. You can't break this.

[01:19:20] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah,

[01:19:20] Sam Alderson: go play. Yeah,

[01:19:22] Nathan Wrigley: but also that whole, this is leaning in. I'll just make that go away. 'cause it's hard to look at that thing, isn't it? the, idea of being able to migrate websites in this way, so rather than having to use some sort of third party, I don't know, cloud-based service or a plugin.

You could just ship the website into playground, go to a different web host and just upload the playground version. It's just sitting in the Now. I know that sounds like fraught with risk and probably it has, but you could keep the old one going anyway. The migration thing is interesting also, so that's WordPress to WordPress, but the, stuff which is being built is kinda Squarespace to WordPress, Drupal to WordPress, and.

And various other things where I move my hands from left to like that. so I just think this is quite exciting and, yeah, there you go. I don't think anybody's got anything to add to that, have they? I am the only one that's excited by that. Me and Adam Zelensky. Come on, Adam. Okay. There you go.

white screen. What's that one about? do we want to, anybody wanna do this? We're running outta time, so I think I'll skip a few. I'll, let's

[01:20:33] Michelle Frechette: skip it. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:20:34] Nathan Wrigley: We'll skip that one. Okay. Couple of things. I'll just mention this. This is stepping away from WordPress. this one. if you are an, if you are a Google's Android phone user, you might think that your, os of choice on your phone is untouchable.

It's gonna always rival. The Apple ecosystem. Huawei, I think that's how you pronounce it. Have other ideas. I think they're either the second or third biggest mobile phone manufacturer on earth. They're certainly a giant and they've decided that in the year 2025, they're gonna stop using, Google's Android and they're gonna ship with their own, os And I've actually forgotten the name of it, but that's really not the point.

Harmony, there you go. It's in the image. Harmony os it's I'm an Android user in this sort of stuff. makes me a bit nervous. 'cause I think if a big OEM like Huawei stop using Android and then I don't know, Samsung of the next and all these other manufacturers jump, it feels like that whole ecosystem of fragment.

And I feel that it's got to have that. I don't know, it's gotta have that. Massive customer base for it to, succeed. Dunno if you've got any thoughts on that. I know it's not WordPress, but there we go.

[01:21:49] Corey Maass: I've seen lots of, companies in one way or another, like they try to create, 'cause it's all about the marketplace, it's all about the apps, right?

Like a phone's a phone, great, but most of us don't care. Like we, or we take that for granted, at least that a phone is a phone and you can send texts and maybe there's a calculator, and it used to have snake, which was awesome. I miss snake. But, but it's like they're, hoping, they're betting that either, so either they're support, they have to support Android apps already though, how they tie into a marketplace.

I have no idea. or they're betting that every developer who already has to build an app for iOS and Android is now going to build it for the Harmony os. Yeah, that's a huge gamble. Good point.

[01:22:42] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that is good point. And maybe

[01:22:44] Corey Maass: the inverse of that, my brain says is there's also the rest of the world.

Which, Asia has huge marketplaces that I have, I as a American have no concept of. And I've been told about these whole other ecosystems, so maybe it exists, I haven't a clue, but from where I'm sitting, that to me would be the risk that they're taking. But maybe I'm not their customer.

[01:23:07] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.

maybe it'll tank. I hadn't really thought about that. I just, I always feel that when some OEM moves as giant as they are, they have the momentum and the, the trajectory to take people with them. But you're right, if they don't bring the developers along, and there's a phone, they don't have the apps that you want.

Yeah. They don't have the apps. You're never gonna buy their phone. Maybe it'll be commercial suicide and they'll be back actually thinking about it. I think companies like Nokia tried this out, didn't they? They had a thing called Tizen for a while, which was a complete failure. And then they ended up on, back on Android. So yeah, maybe there's, maybe that's, a non-story. they go, I've seen

[01:23:46] Corey Maass: many companies big and small get too big for their britches or try to do this kind of grab, They're like these PE Yeah. Like you said, every, we have all these cus these loyal customers, they will go with us and that just sounds like a boardroom decision to me.

[01:24:02] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. '

[01:24:03] Corey Maass: cause people generally don't changing anything is hard. My getting people to change the tech that they use is hard.

[01:24:09] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.

[01:24:10] Corey Maass: Okay. Okay.

[01:24:12] Nathan Wrigley: All right. Just, a hat tip to Carrie Dills. Carrie Dills, longtime, member of the WordPress community, and she has got a LinkedIn learning course. Here it is. I'll just mention it.

If we were talking about grid earlier, carrie's taken on the job of educating people in all sorts of different things, but Grid is the latest thing. CSS advanced layouts with Grid. I, haven't sat the course, but, here it is. It's eight, sorry, two hours and 28 minutes. It's an advanced thing. It came out, like a couple of weeks ago.

But, if you're trying to wrangle your head around grid and you don't wanna use something like Advanced Columns, here it is. It is called css, advanced Layouts with Grid, and I will put the link into the show notes.

[01:24:55] Michelle Frechette: She actually also came out with CSS for developers, so she has two courses there right now.

Yeah. Okay.

[01:24:59] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Let me just go back to that screen. Was that LinkedIn where I wonder if it is.

[01:25:04] Michelle Frechette: I have it.

[01:25:06] Nathan Wrigley: Let's see. I'll put that up in a minute, Michelle, when you sent me the link. That's great. Thank you. I'll, and happy birthday to JavaScript. it's some, it's quite old now. It's basically older than I am.

It's not older than I'm, but it is happy birthday. It's 29 years or something like that. And, yeah, December the fourth. It happened the other day, December the fourth, 20 19 95. Check out some of these names. Netscape Communications Corporation and Sun Microsystems today announced JavaScript, an open source cross pla cross-platform object scripting language for the creation and custom.

Who would've thought back then that JavaScript would basically take over the web? happy birthday JavaScript. I know you don't have ears or in any way, shape or form the cognition to understand that sentence, but nevertheless. Happy birthday. I don't know. There's

[01:25:59] Corey Maass: some pretty advanced, that's right.

[01:26:01] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. It's listening.

[01:26:03] Corey Maass: So talk about being old or being called old. I remember this announcement. Oh, really? Wow. Okay. I remember. I don't think, I don't think I read this, but I remember that was right when I was learning how to build websites. And so I remember hearing people talking about online or oh, there's this new programming language that you can dah, dah, And so thanks for that. Yep. I'm,

[01:26:31] Nathan Wrigley: I in a, way it's interesting 'cause look at this, like how tech moves in addition, 28 industry leading companies, including, here we go, America Online. Okay. apple. Oh. Architect Software, attach Mate, corporation, ball and International Brio Technology, digital Equipment Corporation, IconX Corporation Industrial.

So all these leading companies that have hooked themselves onto the bandwagon of JavaScript. All of them, still, all of them still around, but happy birthday, JavaScript. There you go. And, last one from me and then we'll move on to a couple of, ones submitted. you can now get a free domain if you Register with gravita. They're giving away a year's free domain so that you can use it as your blue sky handle. That's the thing you can do with Blue Sky. You can make a domain name with the text record added to the DNS your handle. So Nathan wrigley.com is what I've used and I've seen other people in the WordPress space using their own, dot com or whatever.

And, gravita are giving away a free, domain. If you wanna make use of that and get some new domain, I'm guessing you'll be locked into some paying system thereafter, but for, a year, you get it for free. And then we'll move over to this. What is this, Sam? Oh,

[01:27:47] Sam Alderson: this is something that has happened for the past 14 years now.

a little bit of context on this is the Jingle Jam runs it used to run for the entire month of December, but it now runs for two, the first two weeks of December. And basically it's done by a company called the OGs Cast. And if you're not a gamer, you won't know who the hell they are. But basically they are a conglomerate of different gamers that do Twitch streaming and YouTube and all of that good stuff, that we've been watching for 15, 16 years now.

and basically what they do every December is they do charity. Game drives and it's, they've got six charities that they, they support and give the money to. It goes, everything goes directly to the charities. They don't take anything out of this Nice. And all of their creators give up their time to stream games or do challenges.

there's one of the creators that's, currently doing a Sky, sky ri, so he's trying to match the amount of money in game to the amount donated, which you can see up in the corner. gosh, look at that. Yeah. 1.9

[01:29:03] Nathan Wrigley: million pounds.

[01:29:04] Sam Alderson: Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, they're doing fantastic. but you can, when you donate, if you donate 35 pounds or more, you get a collection of games as well.

So all the game developers, donate effectively game keys. To this charity so that they can raise the money. So you get people that like donate a couple of pounds every year or people, I think the biggest donation that I saw this year was 10,000 pounds. So people really put their money into this, but it's such a lovely cause and they have such lovely streams and I think last night was poker night for them and they do full streaming schedules as well.

But it's just, a lovely little cause that we've just. Been following for the past 14 years and I've basically grown up with these people. Yeah. Which is really weird. But yeah, it's just such a nice little, cause

[01:29:57] Nathan Wrigley: gosh, the amount of money is eye watering, isn't it, as well? Yeah. So it's very successful jingle and they're based down

[01:30:01] Sam Alderson: in Bristol as well.

[01:30:03] Nathan Wrigley: Nice. Okay. Jing, oh, it's just moved up a little bit. Yeah, some money just got donated. 1.947 million pounds at the moment, and you can find [email protected]. I'll just, and it's gone up again. Somebody just donated $800. 800 quid.

[01:30:18] Sam Alderson: Wow. Yeah.

[01:30:20] Nathan Wrigley: and then what's this one quickly? Oh, this one I came

[01:30:22] Sam Alderson: across the other day actually.

this was, so I love gaming and this was, this is, if you can. Check how, if you can actually play it. It's like accessibility for gaming. So one of the games that I've played recently was Boulder's Gate three, and they're like, it's a mouse control game. It has, some flashing effects. It has a lot of text base, there's a lot of open world.

it's got keyboard input. it just actually shows you how accessible the game is itself for people that have disabilities or have limited movement or, and it just basically goes through every single game possible and just says, this is how accessible it is for people with X amount of, interactivity problems.

I love that. So it's like accessibility for games rather than websites.

[01:31:17] Nathan Wrigley: That is cool. That is really interesting. honestly, I hadn't even thought about that as a thing. wow. Okay, so this is, can I play that.com? And, wow, that's I'm so obsessed about the obs, the accessibility stuff on the WordPress side.

I hadn't even thought about the online gaming side. Yeah. you've got a big fan. You probably knew this already. Tim says, I like Sam being on, they should be on more. Who else would bring Spiffing Britain High Bri. Yeah. To this week in WordPress. Yeah. There you go. having said that, somebody else that we've, got on this week is, is this chap here

Now, unfortunately, we're not gonna be able to get the sound of this. There's no way the platform can consume the sound, but let's just, shall we just watch Cora?

That's so good. I'll laugh. Corey is well done. Corey.

[01:32:28] Michelle Frechette: I see he's been practicing.

[01:32:30] Nathan Wrigley: He hasn't he? Yeah. Look, I'll put your misery. I'll pause it there. You gotta end. You're such a good sport, Cory. Thank you. Michelle, did you put that together?

[01:32:42] Michelle Frechette: I may have. You may have.

[01:32:45] Nathan Wrigley: This is such a good website, like this time of year, jib jab. Com you can go there and I believe for free, you get a certain limit to the number of things that you can do, but you can go and upload the face of Cory Mass.

[01:32:59] Sam Alderson: That's it, your exercise done for the day. That's it. You're

[01:33:01] Nathan Wrigley: such a laugh. Cory, thank you for doing that. I appreciate that. you can also upload yourself into Santa and, reindeer and all of that kind of stuff, so jibjab.com at Christmas time. That was fun.

[01:33:13] Michelle Frechette: That

[01:33:13] Nathan Wrigley: was fun. What a great way to end. And I did miss that final link.

Does it matter? Michelle, do I need to paste that in? What was it? No, it's fine. I put

[01:33:21] Michelle Frechette: it, in the, I put it in the show. I'll put it into

[01:33:23] Nathan Wrigley: the show notes, as well as the original one. But that's it. We've over, we've gone over. I do apologize. there's a couple more comments about gaming. But, I think this episode really was all about spitting liquid.

gaming is in the background, so it was all about York and spitting liquid. Okay. Sorry. Sam and Corey, Michelle knows what's going. Ah, he's holding it. Okay. We do this, we've gotta do this hand thing. If we all just do a bit of that, give us jazz hands. That's nice. There we go. Perfect. we'll be back next week.

First of all, thank you, Michelle. My pleasure. Corey's gone. Oh no, he is back. oh. Oh, look at him. He's just nailing it in every respect. He's got a dog on the show now. This is perfect. Oh, I can do that. Thank you to wait. Oh, look, there's Willow. There's another, there's willow's chilling out by the radiator.

That's nice. You stay there full of fat drunk. That's the right one. Willow is on a pillow. Yeah. Aw. thank you Sam. Thank you Corey, for joining us. We'll share this out tomorrow, but really appreciate it. I'll send you a link to us. Very welcome. But there'll be a ten second or so video. If you wanna hang out and have a chat whilst after we've ended the show, that would be great.

But, I'll end it now and say a big thank you to you three, but also thank you to anybody who made a comment. Really appreciate it. See you next week. Take it easy. Bye bye. Bye.