This Week in WordPress #208

[00:00:00] Nathan Wrigley: It's time for this weekend. WordPress episode number 208 entitled. It's literally built with voodoo. It was recorded on Monday. The 9th of May. 2021. I have three WordPress guests to talk about the WordPress news for this week. My guests are Birgit Pauli Haack, Daniel Schutzsmith, and of course my co-host Michelle Frechette.

There's always a lot to talk about, and it's no different this week. There's a couple of things that we mentioned about the WordPress 6.0 release candidate, which has just come out. We talk about the way that in the future, you may be able to create WordPress pages with a little modal popping up at the moment that you click add new WordPress is turning 19 and there's a web page to celebrate that fact.

There's also a couple of online events. The page builder summit is coming up and so is words. Yost has got a new team. What does this mean for Yost customers? Full site editing. We feature a complete guide and there's also some interesting full site editing outreach news as well. Then we talk about the fact that there's an actual artists job in the WordPress space, coming up for grabs.

Find out all about that. And WP rocket. They have got some voodoo going on to speed up your websites by getting rid of any unwanted CSS. We spend a bit of time at the end talking about our own pet projects and picks of the week. And it's coming up next on this week in WordPress.

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Hello? Hello there. Hello there, depending on where you are in the world. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. It's very nice to have you. We've got another. Action packed this week in word for the show. We're on number 208, and very nice to have you with us. We are joined as always look. The screen is full of lovely people. The guy in the top left is a bit dodgy, but the other ones are fine.

And we're going to talk about WordPress and we're going to talk about WordPress with the following people. First stop, Michelle, how are you, Michelle?

[00:02:48] Michelle Frechette: I am good. I just had a week of vacation, so I really can't

[00:02:51] Nathan Wrigley: complain. Oh. Oh, where did you go? Did you go somewhere nice. Or

[00:02:55] Michelle Frechette: I spent the entire week birdwatching.

I rented an Airbnb in the middle of nowhere, New York and every day, except the one day it rained, which I couched the whole day with my camera and nature. So

[00:03:09] Nathan Wrigley: is this a new found hobby or have you been doing this for years? I

[00:03:13] Michelle Frechette: think I've been to was about five years now. I think I bought my first camera five years ago and I look back on that first, those first pictures I took and thought were so great.

And I'm like, oh, I do so much better now. It's amazing what practice will do. Yeah.

[00:03:26] Nathan Wrigley: I have the same thing about podcasting. I listened back to the podcast and think. How awful they were and then, but slightly different story. I listened back to last week's and think not much has changed, but there you go.

Self-deprecating humor over Michelle is let's. Let me give you her bio. Michelle Frechette is the director of community engagement for Stella WP at liquid web. In addition to her work at Stella WP, Michelle is the podcast burry at WP coffee talk co-founder of under represented in tech.com, creator of WP career pages.

The president for the board of big orange heart, or director of community relations and [email protected]. I am running out of breath. I'm going to breathe author, business, coach and frequent. Okay. No. I want to do the whole thing cause it's good. You should be proud. Author, business, coach and frequent organizer and speakers.

Press events. She lives in Rochester, New York, where she's an avid nature photographer as we just found out. And you can find more about [email protected]. No, I think it's very good. My list would be considerably shorter. Yours is longer because you do more and you should just like doing stuff. Yeah, it's good.

You should be very proud. Yeah, exactly. And that's big it. How are you doing bigger power. We hack from Gutenberg times, automatic and various other places. How are you doing?

[00:04:51] Birgit Pauli-Haack: I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I'm still in Florida. And then looking forward to meeting everybody at the who's coming.

[00:04:59] Nathan Wrigley: Yes. That's all happening very soon. I'll do your formal introduction. Bare get poli hack is the publisher of the Gutenberg time. She's the co-host of the Gutenberg changelog podcast and a member of the 6.0 release squad for documentation. We have been talking about six point over a little while, and we will continue to talk about it today.

But yeah. Thank you Birgit for joining us one small and finally new, not no. I interviewed you for the WP Tavern podcast. You've not become WFE belts. We have what can only be described as the silky voice of Daniel shot Smith. How are you done? You're

[00:05:38] Daniel Schutzsmith: doing good. Yeah.

[00:05:39] Nathan Wrigley: So you want to be here?

Yeah. You say that, you know that voice. Yeah. We're all going to pause and listen. Okay. Let me do your formal introduction. Done. Your shot. Smith is a producer at the WP minute curator of, excuse me, WP live streams, directory co-host of WP talks on Twitter spaces, administrator of the WP, Twitter communicate a community.

And now launching WP dev tool box to create a place for developers and builders to learn what tools and processes can make their craft easier. Yeah. Very nice to have you, where are you coming from? Daniel.

[00:06:15] Daniel Schutzsmith: I am a skip and a jump north of Iran right now in Florida.

[00:06:21] Nathan Wrigley: Nice. Is that because you live there or because you're on holiday then?

Yep. Yeah, I live there too. Okay. Yeah.

[00:06:27] Daniel Schutzsmith: It's

[00:06:31] Nathan Wrigley: always the new Yorker where yeah, it's very north America heavy today. Isn't it? You guys are all in. There's only me. So at the same time, you're all getting up ridiculously early, which are you fully appreciate. Thank you so much for that. We'll we'll come to some chat messages in a moment. If a few, come through please.

If you would like to share this, do that. We'd love for more people to come and join us. That will be lovely. Best way to do that is probably to share. WP Builds.com forward slash live. There's this little bit, which I have to do each week. It's a bit boring, but I have to do each week. And it's all about the commenting system.

If you go to WP Builds.com forward slash live, you need to be logged into Google, a Google account because it's YouTube comments. However if you're in our Facebook group and you wish to be de-anonymize, you wish to show us your avatar and we can see your name, then you'll need to go to chat.restream.io forward slash F B.

I'm going to say that again. chat.restream.io forward slash F it should be in the comment thing. The thread right at the top, click that and give us authorization, and then we can see who you are. And yeah. Pause, pause the show for a moment. Just to Twitter. And you mentioned what we're doing and let's see if we gonna have a nice conversation today.

We've got a few people joining us. I think it's always nice to mention those right at the very start. First off we've got Marcus Burnett. Hello, everybody always happy to start the week. Seeing all these beautiful smiling faces and all that's nice. Thank you very much, Peter. Just simply saying hello, love all the Florida representation and tuning in from Orlando area.

Okay. All right. Okay. It's all happening in north America. We've got Courtney stay tuned. Courtney, we're going to talk about your, the piece that you posted this week. Just slightly north of them. Is Marcus. There should have been a semi in-person episode. Yeah. Okay. Okay. What have we got here? Morning, Peter.

Oh, okay. The luckiest local. We got Macron. Cromwells given us a wave and we've got a media hosting. Good afternoon, everybody. That's a new face. Nice to see somebody new. Okay. Enough of that, I've been droning on for ages. Let's get into the meat and the potatoes of it. Shall we? Here we go.

First thing that's. Is just to say that WordPress 6.0 release candidate one has come around. This piece was posted well just a few days ago. Now the 3rd of May, I am not gonna go into any of the details of this. I am simply going to say it is there. And basically eyeballs is what's needed at this point in order to make WordPress 6.0, come out and be as smooth as possible with as few bumps in the road as possible.

This release candidate needs to be downloaded and it needs to be tinkered with, and then if anybody tinkers with it and things break the the feedback is greatly needed. I don't know if any of you three, have anything to add to that? My, my purpose for putting that on was simply to say, it's existed. Go test it.

That'll be very helpful, but if any of you three, want to just bought in and say something, feel free.

[00:09:39] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Okay. I just want to enhance that and say every plugin development, every theme developer really. Use the release candidate, one to check on their product and see that they're still working with.

[00:09:56] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. So it's freely available to download. Now, if you're inexperienced with WordPress, that we've, there's this whole process of beta testing and release candidate testing, and you don't want to use this for your regular website, stay away from anything that starts with release candidate or beta, or just go for the normal releases as they come out.

Unless you want to stick it on a development environment. Feel free to do that, but don't play with this one unless you are literally playing with it. Okay. If that's the case yeah yeah, it's often just understood that everybody knows what they're doing and perhaps not there.

Oh, look, we've got a new one. No. Don't use it on your live websites. This however is a nice new feature. We're looking [email protected]. We've got is, do we pronounce it? Do forgive me. Is this name that I'm seeing on the screen is that pronounced hall? Yes. Yes. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much.

Jorge Costa, this is the 3rd of May. This is really great. I think nobody could think this is about a while. Somebody no doubt somewhere. But I think this is lovely page creation patterns in WordPress six. So right now, if you're using the block editor, which I'm sure many of you are when you click add page, you basically get a blank canvas.

If you are looking at it for the very very first time, you'll get. Tutorial guiding you how to use it, but typically you'll go to a blank canvas and you'll have to start filling it up from scratch. Now, if you've adopted block patterns as a way to save away templates and designs, you can then click the plus icon, locate the pattern in question and you're off to the races, but wouldn't it be helpful if at the point when you created a page, a little modal popped up and said how do you fund C using one of your saved block patterns as the template to get you started on this page?

And of course, that's exactly what this does. So new in 6.0, you can choose from patterns. They have to be registered correctly. They have to exist already. But what happens is you click add. Little modal comes up. The picture that I'm looking at, maybe beget or Daniel or Michelle have tinkered with this. I don't really know.

We'll ask them in a moment. The picture comes up and it just gives you a visual representation of what you're going to be getting and the name of whatever you've saved it as you click go. And that's it now. We're very familiar with this. If you've used the page builder for any length of time, often, this is

This is what you do. You just begin a page and that's the first job on your list is to select a template and drop it in and modify it. Nice to see this coming into WordPress core kind of cool feature. And I think it's going to save people an awful lot of time. It feels absolutely needed to happen.

Open the floor. Anybody wants to comment on this, feel free.

[00:12:50] Daniel Schutzsmith: I'm actually really excited about this. Most of my work is doing themes. One of the other things in my day job is doing a very large redesign for the Pinellas county government here in Florida. So we were redesigning our website and that's about to launch soon on WordPress from a static site.

But but for that, if we had this to work with that actually would have been pretty interesting because we could have used different types of patterns like that instead of page templates. And so that's where I see this kind of replacing in a way. I don't know if that's what they're saying officially, but to me, this is a step in the direction basically to get rid of page templates and make it so that patterns really can be used, for a whole page and get people interested in it.

I'm all for it. I like it. It's just going to be a learning curve. Yeah.

[00:13:38] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get rid of template theme templates. But because you want, you need them for a single post and single page displays. And this is only working for pages. So if you start a post it won't come up, but I really like it.

It's so exciting to see that. And other page builders and block plugins had a similar functionality before, and I'm so glad that it's now coming into core. Because then it can be integrated with a pattern directory with theme patterns and all that. So it's a really great improvement. Yeah.

[00:14:18] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I feel like it would be nice to have an option somewhere.

And again, nobody wants to load. WP settings area with options, but it might be nice to have a tick box somewhere saying, do you want to see pattern directory patterns? When you launch a new page, you tick that box. And then from that moment on every time you add a page, this pops up with that in the future, and you can just start to choose them.

Or you could, just begin from a blank canvas if you're into just doing it that way. Michelle, I don't know if you've got anything to throw in on this one. I

[00:14:52] Michelle Frechette: haven't used it at all yet, but I have about three sites that I need to build in the next two weeks. So I'll be playing.

[00:15:01] Nathan Wrigley: The there's a couple of caveats that we should throw in a beer get mentioned the first one, which is that currently this will not be available to posts.

You are looking only at pages, which yeah, I guess there's a crack in place to start considering it's templated content. It's probably going to be best used in that way. However, this will not work. It's not going to be like switched on for you. You've actually got to do some work. So I'm just going to quote from the website.

It says that this modal, the modal containing all the patterns that you've saved the way the modal appears each time a user creates a new page when they are patterns on that. When there are patterns on the website that declare support for core forward slash post dash content block types by default WordPress 6.0 core does not include any of these patterns.

So the model will not appear without some of the, some of these post content patterns being added. And then there's a little tiny, teeny, tiny little. Code, which you may wish to inspect in order make that happen. It's going to be great, but you might need to just go ferreting around and haunting around in order to get it to work.

But yeah really nice. Sorry. I think that

[00:16:13] Birgit Pauli-Haack: most of the block themes that are now available in the wordpress.org directory will probably implement that hundred

[00:16:24] Nathan Wrigley: comes out. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Basically, if you don't see anything, then you know that you've got to go exploring a little bit further, but if you see things, then you're off to the races and hopefully it will save a lot of people a lot of time remembering of course, that you can save your own patterns, build your own things and save them and import them into your current website projects.

So in your case, Michelle, once you've got the first site finished, you can just pull them all across to the second site and the third site and modify as necessary. That'll be, there'll be a nice labor saving device. This one came to me, courtesy. I think of David Bissette from post status, but I believe that somebody said that there was another name involved with this project.

[00:17:08] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Olivia beset with.

[00:17:10] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. And I seem to remember getting into WordPress. I don't know when it was, I'm going to guess that we were on about the 11th year, maybe the 12th year or something like that. The last time I feel like I celebrated WordPress day was about when it turned 15. That seems to be the big milestone.

And then as was saying earlier on the call to you, three COVID came along and. It raised several of the years of my life. But we're here, we're at 19 years and there's a lovely new website with a fabulously short URL WP, nineteen.day. Let me say that once more WP, 19, as in the numbers, one nine.day, I didn't even know that.day was a domain that you could get OSH.

Certainly if we can going out and looking for those from now on, and it's basically, it's just the list of it's just the list of thoughts and people putting their thoughts together about what WordPress has meant to them. We've got a few VI video. No, look, let me just move that a lot. There we go. We've got a few videos, some quotes from various people in the WordPress community, and I just thought it was a really nice idea.

It says May 27th, 2022 is the 19th anniversary of the first word, press release. We think this is worth celebrating. And we want the WordPress community all over the world to celebrate with us, by sharing thoughts, photos, tweets, and joining in to fun live events and wait for it game shows. So I don't know if anybody wants to comment on that, but I'll I'll let you go for it.

If you want.

[00:18:49] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Shove forward to David and Olivia to put this together and bring it out so fast. Yeah,

[00:18:55] Michelle Frechette: don't refresh right now because it's not available. It says scheduled maintenance.

[00:18:59] Nathan Wrigley: Oh no. I was like, I

[00:19:02] Michelle Frechette: want to take a look at it. And I was like, oh no,

[00:19:05] Nathan Wrigley: that'd be,

The effect. So anyway, it's a WP nineteen.day and and you can go and check it out, which is really nice. It's just that, I'm sure they're probably in the middle of going through that early morning routine of updating plugins or. Good or WP Builds is the new we killed it. Yeah, it just killed it.

That's I think the former is far more likely, but unless they don't go to any of

[00:19:38] Michelle Frechette: my sites right now, I just,

[00:19:39] Nathan Wrigley: okay. Okay. So that's one kind of WordPress event is happening fairly soon. And another one, which I wanted to draw everybody's attention to is this is one of those live events. It's called word sesh.

It's been around. I think this has been around probably the original WordPress live event online. I think. I think they were the first people to do that whole thing. And it's, I want you to bookmark it, stick it in your diary. It's may the 16th to the 20th, 2022. It builds itself as a virtual conference for WordPress professionals, featuring hands-on workshops, incredible sessions, great swag, and an amazing community.

Messages from the sponsors and then we get onto the list of the speakers and you'll see, there's a great big, long list of people. And there's going to be an awful lot discussed. I confess I haven't dug deeper into who is speaking about what I've just looked at the images here and thought this looks like a fascinating event.

What's the what's the thoughts on these live events now big at you were you were mentioning just a few moments ago that you're going to be heading over to WordCamp Europe. That's. Like a big change, right? Suddenly those kinds of things are possibly on the cards again. How do we think these online events are gonna fair?

Not just for beer, anybody can jump in, but yeah. What do we think?

[00:21:09] Birgit Pauli-Haack: I think word search has a huge community and you're right. Brian, Richard has producing those events for at least six years that I know him. And he has professionalized the putting virtual events together and he helped the community to pivot to virtual events in in spring of 2020 when the pandemic hit and all the in-person got Consuelo close yeah, canceled.

Yeah, no and virtual events are still very needed because not everybody can jump on a plane and go some places. So the learning and the shed Yes. She had knowledge in these virtual events is important to yeah. Bring new people into the community to share the knowledge and have everybody on successful WordPress life, so to

[00:22:12] Nathan Wrigley: speak.

It's it's totally free. There's no cost attached and it's spread over four days. So basically a week a week from now May 16th to the 20th, 20, 22. You just go to word sesh.com and register for free. I think you've got to fill out one field with your email address and you're done. You can fill.

Over on Twitter and presumably I'll have more in terms of the oh no, there is a speakers, but here and the schedule, I should go to the schedule. I fast, I didn't notice that before, so here we go. Here's the meat and the bones of it. So starts by the looks of it. It says day one on the 17th, even though further up in the pages at the 16th.

So maybe there's some sort of a common trip day or

[00:22:59] Birgit Pauli-Haack: something. 16, 11:00 PM.

[00:23:02] Nathan Wrigley: Eastern. Okay. It's that thing. Yeah. Okay. The three

[00:23:06] Daniel Schutzsmith: different three different sections basically of sessions based on time

[00:23:12] Nathan Wrigley: zones. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Got it. So here we go. Here's the list. I will not bore you by reading them all out, but how many have we got?

We've got on the first day, 2, 4, 6 six speeches with a keynote at the end. And then it looks like a similar thing on the second day. And then on the third day, or there's a lot of. A lot of interest in the last one, there's a keynote all about rebuilding white house.gov in sick six weeks or your yoga.

Can you imagine how many pounds of coffee were drunk during those six weeks? But fabulous event. And again, sorry, I've excluded Daniel and Michelle from that. Do you want to drop in anything

[00:23:57] Daniel Schutzsmith: I was going to mention? There's also just a great lineup of people speaking at this that I haven't heard before.

Folks that, have been on, been very vocal on Twitter on the things they're working on, but not necessarily have done a talk on it. So we're going to see like a Ruba doing a presentation Kyle Alexander, talking about his stuff with a mirror, which basically works with AWS. Some really great plugins and services.

People, are talking about that there. So

[00:24:29] Nathan Wrigley: it's going to be real good. Yeah. Nice. Michelle, anything that

[00:24:33] Michelle Frechette: know, I, for one, I'm really happy that we're going to continue to have online events even in a almost post pandemic or post pandemic world. One of the things that we strive for at big orange heart is reducing those feelings of isolation that come with being a remote worker.

And as beer gets said, so many people can't afford to just get on a plane and go to a word camp. So to be able to continue to bring events online, to people who can access them wherever they have, internet is still going to be very important, which is why we're going to continue to do word Fest 24 hours straight 24 hour marathons of.

WordPress content going forward and we actually have our next date for the word Fest this fall. I don't know if we've made it public yet, but it will be November 19th. Wait, that's

[00:25:26] Nathan Wrigley: your calendar too. Give us that one again. November the wall, 19th, November the 19th, I should add. I'm always terrible.

Doing my own promotional stuff, but I should add the following on shortly after that, if you're into

[00:25:42] Michelle Frechette: the 18th,

[00:25:45] Nathan Wrigley: we will certainly make sure that in the run up to that event, that we mentioned it over and over again. That's a really good one. This is this is the page builder summit, which obviously I'm involved and it's coming up.

It's about six weeks away now we've got quite a nice list. I must say the list is quite a bit bigger than this. Now we've got quite a few people coming to join us many familiar faces, but again, like Daniel said, maybe some unfamiliar ones as well. There's a few more to add to the list probably about another nine or 10 thus far, but page builder, summit.com you can register and it's free.

It's not quite in the same way. Free. It's free for. The time that it's live, you're free to watch it. And it's happening from the 20th to the 24th of June. So that's in about six weeks from now. So go and check that one out as well. Okay. Then where did we get to we're on just like personal news now we've had a couple of events mentioned, let's go for this one.

This is a big mega menu there. This is to say that Yoast have decided to completely rejig their team. You, I followed the yo story for the longest time. Obviously we had Yost whose name is not spelled Y O S T, but Yoast of elk was in charge of it. And then several years ago, Maricka his wife, she took over as the CEO, I believe.

And then she stepped down a little bit earlier in the year. And so now there is a picture of the sort of like members of. Team it says today we proudly present Yost new team leadership team. The past year has been quite a year at Yoast. Big things happened at our beloved company as the icing on the cake.

We now like to introduce you to the leaders. And she would just go through who they are first familiar faces. We've got chair, who is the chief operating officer unique sorry. Merico will be the head of strategy. Irene will be in charge of research and development. I don't know how to pronounce her.

H E double R E a will be the new head of technology and a very familiar face to this show. Taeko who comes on. I don't know, every five or six weeks. And co-hosts with me. He he is going to be taking over the role of head of relations. And so yeah, if you're using Yoast, they were recently acquired by new.

I'm going to say new. Digital is that the right word? Yeah, Neufeld digital. I've just found it on the screen in August, 2021. I think that gave them a certain ability to flex because they weren't necessarily thinking all about the payroll and all of that. Maybe that side of freed things up a little bit.

So we've got a new team. If you go to the WordPress plugin repository, they're always there. Aren't they're always right near the top with their five plus million active installs. They're definitely doing something. And I guess when a company is rejigging itself in this way, cause for concern, for people who are using the product, they want to know that it's going to remain stable and looked after.

Let's figure out, let's see. I'm sure that they will. But that's the piece of news. Anybody, a Yoast user, anybody got any thoughts on this?

[00:29:06] Daniel Schutzsmith: I still use it. I feel like people dump on it a lot, but I still use it. And I actually like it. There are a lot of ads that are go into the free version there, of course.

It's valid that people would mention those things. But also too, I think their deployment into Shopify I think was also pretty interesting. And, that's one of the things that I've been looking at just for like side projects, like Shopify looks pretty interesting as an alternative eCommerce, just to understand.

So seeing, Stover there too gives me some hope that, some of the plugins that people have been working on for years might be able to venture into other ecosystems, basically.

[00:29:49] Nathan Wrigley: I wonder if the Shopify thing is easier for them to monetize because you go into Shopify with totally with the knowledge that you are going to be paying for it.

And you, it's a service and you in most services like that, most SAS type services, the arrangement is I give you money. You give me a service in return. And so you've just got that in your head. Whereas the WordPress thing is a little bit more. Difficult circle to square. So I wonder if it is going to be easier to monetize and it is growing.

I have a lot of colleagues who now they are quite happy to recommend it. If the, if their client doesn't want to get into the weeds of WordPress, then that would be there. That would be the second suggestion is just go to Shopify. It will do 95% of everything you want. And it's, I don't even know what it is.

I'm going to say $19 a month or something for their starter plan seems like a fairly decent way to go for them. I think

[00:30:45] Daniel Schutzsmith: it is. One of the funny things is that we had a bit of a discussion over the past a couple of months ago on, the whole concept of an ecosystem store type of situation for plugins and WordPress.

And that whole conversation really started from slack and post that to slack when Yost was actually talking about these things over there, and this was before the Shopify announcement. So I wonder if he had already seen behind the scenes, what they were looking at in the Shopify environment and seeing that.

Works out really well for them. Yeah.

[00:31:17] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. They're doing something right. That's for sure, because they are hoovering up a large proportion of the, not proportion, but they're definitely doing something. So anyway, there we go. The, I guess a piece like this needs to come out to a swayed people's fears.

If you've got a hundred websites as an agency and you've got them all on Yost and you're paying for the premium version, you want to know that the team are going to be out there looking. To bat for you and still updating. And of all the things. SEO seems like the one, which is the most, it's a really difficult pieces in there because Google keep you in the dark.

They've got to keep reverse engineering, everything and trying to update everything and stay ahead of the game without falling foul of, I don't know, whatever it is that you fall, fail off. If Google catch you doing nefarious things and and they need it, they need a team. I think Yoast re recently said, they've got to similar 130, 120 employees.

So they're a big WordPress company. And. Yeah, the usual thing it says, what does this mean in the road ahead? It means leadership changes. Of course our mission for SEO won't change at all. We're still dedicated to offering each and every everyone equal chances of search results with our software and educational materials.

You feel that nobody everybody's going to say that anyway, but nice to hear it. But I also

[00:32:42] Birgit Pauli-Haack: think that with the two people that are very visible in the community, it was taco as well as what's Maurica. Really good continuity. They are entice. Hasn't been coming out of the yeah.

Box suddenly has been working in for a use for quite a bit. I don't know exactly how long, but yeah, it's it's a continuation and it's definitely a Of leadership that makes makes me actually be very confident because if you don't have a succession plan for your leadership and execute on it people burn out and leadership is a hard thing to do.

It actually Increases the trust that I have in Yoast,

[00:33:35] Nathan Wrigley: they are also very big. I remember it was probably going back about three months ago, something like that. I can't remember who did it, but the sort of annual survey of who's committed to WordPress core over the previous year came out and as you would expect, automatic is the big circle.

And then there are smaller circles, but very much in second place with the, by far the next biggest circle was Yoast and they'd committed a significant number of hours. So from that point of view they definitely. They definitely have earned there, the trust of the community, I think. Cause they do second, a lot of people over, but also, and I don't, I'm pretty sure that I'm right in saying this.

They're usually one of the big sponsors at the bigger of the word camps and I'm going to, I haven't looked, but I'm going to dare to say that if you went to word camp, the word camp EDU website, and look. More or less guaranteeing that Yoast will be one of the big kind of gold banner standard sponsors.

I've just said that. And I've no idea if that's true. But I if one of you three wants to go and look and tell me I'm wrong, they take a lot of that out. Obviously it works for them. They get something in return. They're representing themselves at a big event with a big booth and all of that, but equally It's a good commitment that they put in to keeping those kinds of events going because we, as we know, the ticket price, certainly doesn't pay for even the food that you eat at those events, somebody's got to be paying for it.

And it is largely, I think Don with the sponsorship tiers. So yeah, there we go. Very nice and tack out can tell us all about it next time he is back. Okay. Do a bit of full site editing. Shall we two pieces about full site editing? This is very much, I think maybe in bear gets wheelhouse. I don't know.

Let's see if she wants to contribute to this one, but full site editing outreach, number 14, and McCarthy has been through 13 previous iterations and she has this process where she asks you to go and do something in the same way as a lot of other people. The idea being that if a lot of people contribute their feedback about a specific task, meaningful data will come back out of it.

And they're very specific and they're usually a little bit interesting, it isn't go and create a post and write these lines. And in this case, I think this is quite cool. One it's a. It's number 14 and it's all about creating a recipe post. Now goodness knows whether or not you will be creating a recipe piece actually at any point in the near future.

But the principle though is what can you do with that? How can you jazz it up and make it look good? What things can you deploy? And she wants you to try out a few different things just in Tagalog, which is the piece, which is on the screen. Now has a piece of. The may is called FSC outreach.

Number 14, building recipe posts with lists and costs. And you can see if you look into the screen, what Justin managed to do there's a couple of things that he got out of it. He likes the new the new list and the quote blocks, particularly the list, the new list plot. And I didn't know this, but apparently bear get, you can tell us if this is true or not.

Apparently if you now create a list, the previously the block was just a block of the list items. It was one block. And if you click return, you'd get another portion of that block. You get another dot or whatever it may be depending on how you decided to style it. But now if I read it right, you can put blocks within the list block.

So the list items themselves can be other blocks. Did I read that?

[00:37:24] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Yes. That's exactly right. And that's an experimental block right now. So it won't be in 6.0. And you need to have the plugin Gutenberg plugin installed, and there's an in the admin section, there's an a menu item called experiments.

And you need to turn that on to be able to test this. Because the list view as the list, as well as quote block right now in the development phase for the second version of it. And that is to use other blocks within the block. So the quote block, you can have images and also style your paragraphs and your can have lists include blocks.

That's the ultimate test you're having, blocks and inner blocks. But it's it's the version that is now being tested. So this is quite a future look looking into the future of the next iteration. The team works on 6.0 release to have people really go through the process and test those new blocks and see what works, what doesn't work and what should be better.

And the feedback is really helpful for the product team to make this as best that it can be before it will be comes out of experiments into the plugin and then from the plugin into the WordPress core. So there are quite a few iterations happening and you're right there

[00:39:03] Nathan Wrigley: in the forefront.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And you feel like you've helped a little bit as well, which is quite a nice thing, so yeah. Sorry. I shouldn't have said that the the right I'm gonna put us all on the. Because every single application that I've ever used, if I invoke a list, I just get a list. I get less than it's the same all the way down until I stop making bullet point items.

I can change the styling of maybe it's becomes an arrow instead of a dot, or it becomes, I don't know, whatever, but the list is just a list item. And I am trying to think about, although it's really cool that I could put other things inside of a list item. I'm trying to think of a use case where I could actually benefit from that.

What can anybody come up with one off the top of their head where having a different item and a list item would be cool, or you. Yeah, we actually,

[00:39:57] Daniel Schutzsmith: we have this use case right now and on the government website. So we've been having trouble because we need to do exactly that. We need to put in an image basically into that list so that they could actually see something where referencing.

[00:40:10] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. So something that simple. Yep. Okay. Yeah. All right. You've just nailed it straight away an image inside of a list that okay. Yeah. Okay.

[00:40:20] Daniel Schutzsmith: I, to get around that, I just want to mention right now to get around that we've actually been using a robot commands. A super was a super list block. Yes.

[00:40:29] Nathan Wrigley: Which does similar things. Yeah. Yeah, he seems to be on a clip. Doesn't it yet? The minute creating Farland interesting stuff. But, okay, so it might be images, right? I'm going to throw it to big it. Images is ticked off the list. You're not allowed to use images, I'll throw out there.

[00:40:48] Birgit Pauli-Haack: You could also use a gallery block to pivot off that.

But one is also sometimes you want to have a second paragraph on a list item, and now you can do it otherwise you would have to shift into, and then you manage the distances of it. So this definitely will allowed you to do that. You could even have a heading in there. And then have different paragraphs for a particular heading.

[00:41:20] Nathan Wrigley: So yeah. Yeah. You could have nested lists where they each get their own headings. So you could have H two then H three and H four and, okay. All right. Now it's starting to become clear. Michelle, have you got any, you two have been stolen.

[00:41:35] Michelle Frechette: Podcast and beds where you want to list the

[00:41:38] Birgit Pauli-Haack: episodes.

[00:41:40] Nathan Wrigley: They're all really clever and I couldn't manage one.

And I just thought actually styling, just being able to style things differently. So this one paragraph is in, I dunno some sort of font, some sort of code readable form, and all of the others are in a different font or this italics for this one or not for that one. Yeah. It's actually really cool. W, although it's bound to the list block, what it's showing for me is that you can nest these lists, sorry.

You can nest these blocks within blocks. And you can get really creative, whereas on the sort of page builder side of things, essentially, whatever the module does. And unless you're willing to build your own modules, you're confined to that functionality.

Whereas with things like this, so long as you're prepared to chop things in and nest them and all of that kind of stuff, you can get really creative with it all.

[00:42:37] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Yeah. And test cause the testing is actually to. Push up to the edge, try and break it and see what breaks with all your nesting kind of thing.

Yeah. So that's the call?

[00:42:52] Michelle Frechette: Yeah, that's a good question. In the in the chat, I don't, it's just the anonymous Facebook user, but asking how accessible is the image or other content with enlist element? That's a good question.

[00:43:03] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, I don't have any insight into that. I'm going to put my finger in the air and say, probably not that accessible at the moment, but I guess that will happen.

So it depends.

I

[00:43:14] Michelle Frechette: would assume that image alt attributes would still work this children the same way tabbing through however it's embedded. It's still gonna work with a screen reader. I'm assuming, but

[00:43:27] Nathan Wrigley: I haven't tested. Sorry. I wasn't meaning specifically about the images I was meaning, if you literally started to throw anything, the kitchen sink at it, every scenario of possible block embedded in possible, right?

Yeah, we did. We'd have to wait and see yeah, whoever you are, go and download it and play with it. See what you get.

[00:43:46] Daniel Schutzsmith: So we did have to go ahead and just do a workaround, just doing straight HTML, basically to do this stuff for now. And it passes a wake ag. Fine. Okay. That's the. That's the accessibility guidelines.

It's fine. As long as you have that all text in there. And you're not putting tab attributes on it.

[00:44:05] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. Perfect. Good answer. Image. I don't know about other things. Good question. Facebook user. You may have missed the beginning of the show, but there is a link right at the very top. If you wish to click that link it's from restream it will allow.

To know who you are. You may wish to remain parenthesis afterwards. Oh yeah. Just tell us what your name is by typing it at the beginning of your comment. Yeah, that's a good point. Anyway, the whole point of that article, isn't for us to talk about list items and things like that. The whole point of the article is that you go and play and then give McCarthy and anybody else that is going to be reacting to this, your feedback.

So right at the very top of the link, you can see here. It says it's open to the public now. And if you click over there, you'll be taken to the article. It was 28th of May and it's called rallying recipe reviewers it's [email protected]. As always, I will link to all of these within the show notes that will be coming out with the podcast.

[00:45:03] Michelle Frechette: Yeah. Can you scroll down? Because I don't care what it says there. I am never going to make a spaghetti taco.

[00:45:14] Nathan Wrigley: Justin, he doesn't need to be that. Does anybody follow Justin on Facebook or anything? I do Justin, Justin is like a prodigious cook. He's every couple of days he'll throw a picture of something that he's made the previous day. And it, he really makes a lot of effort with his food.

So I think this was, he did actually mention in the article, this was right off his street. All I'm saying is he cooks a lot and he's making spaghetti tacos. Possibly something in that he did say, look, he said, I had fun with this testing round recipes in my jam. So I picked the perfect one to share.

He's not making this up. This is real food.

[00:46:00] Daniel Schutzsmith: He made a Mulberry pie yesterday and pick the mulberries

[00:46:05] Nathan Wrigley: himself. He says, yeah, by the looks of it, he posts photos of his sort of gardening projects. Doesn't he? And it looks like he's got a, quite a nice bit of land, which he spent time cultivating to grow fruit and vegetables and things and out they come out of the ground and they go into Justin's pot.

It's absolutely great. Jess, Frank. Hello, Jess. She's saying she haven't tried the tacos, but spaghetti pizza is the bottom. There you go. You see another one?

[00:46:33] Michelle Frechette: I'm going to let you, I'm going to take your word for that, judge. I'm not going to test that there. Spaghetti

[00:46:38] Nathan Wrigley: pizza. Yeah. Okay. It's like a bread sandwich or something.

[00:46:43] Michelle Frechette: Can I have some carbs on my carbs, please?

[00:46:48] Nathan Wrigley: Just before

[00:46:49] Birgit Pauli-Haack: we miss some Michelle, you're not a real fan of spaghetti with mashed potatoes, either

[00:46:58] Michelle Frechette: that

[00:46:58] Birgit Pauli-Haack: you eat. That was my favorite food. When that was.

[00:47:03] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, yeah,

[00:47:05] Birgit Pauli-Haack: I'm

[00:47:05] Michelle Frechette: alive. I'm going to go with no.

[00:47:08] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. Let's, I'm just going to put up for everybody's benefit. Daniel, just a moment ago, mentioned a plugin that he'd used recently super list. And you can find [email protected] and it's called SU par list and yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah. Okay. And what specifically were you using?

What were you implementing from this study? What was the specific key.

[00:47:43] Daniel Schutzsmith: This has been using it for a site I'm working on right now that has grids in it. So this was able to allow me to do

[00:47:50] Nathan Wrigley: grids with okay. Like this, like we're seeing on the screen there. Okay, great. Okay. All right. I confess, I've never seen that one before, so I will stick it in tomorrow's show notes.

That's good. This one isn't really for comment, but I just thought I'd put it up every so often you come across an article, which is just quite helpful will Morris over on talk magazine. It's not a particularly long article. Probably take you like 10, maybe 15 minutes to read. It's just a bit of a primer on full site editing.

I know that by now, a lot of you have probably doubled with this, but if you haven't published 5th of May, it's up to date full site editing your complete guide. And like I say, it gets you over the main humps in about 10 or 15 minutes. So I'll include that in the show notes tomorrow as well.

So there's that right? Courtney? I wonder if Courtney is still paying attention. She was in the comments just a moment ago. We have Courtney's article. It was over on make.wordpress.org. Would like to make make that's a bit her isn't it. She would like to make a make WordPress team project or project updates.

And and I'm just highlighting the fact that she's endeavoring to do this. You can find it's [email protected]. A search for Courtney Robertson or the piece itself entitled proposal colon make WordPress team or project updates. And the idea really is that it's just one place, which you can reliably visit, which has pretty much everything that you may like to know concerning what's going on with those two projects.

I'm just going to click on it and okay. And you can see, like ready for the scroll. Okay. So this is stuff which has happened recently in WordPress. Now you're not gonna, you're not gonna be able to keep up with this. In the following sections core design, mobile accessibility, polyglot support documentation.

I've got solving a scrolling by now support articles, developer articles, themes, plugins, community Metta training, lesson plans, workshops courses, their sub categories social learning spaces, test TV, WP, TV videos, marketing CLI hosting tide, open verse photos, updates, project systems news. There is more jobs central WordCamp, WordPress founder, WordPress foundation.

Basically it's a quick two minute read. You should be done with most of the stuff in here pretty quickly, but I just thought, I think the intention was let's just put lots of stuff all in one place in an easy taxonomy that you can understand it all self propagate and self update is I think the purpose.

So basically. Get that URL. Hopefully you can keep refreshing it and the content will be refreshed. Courtney's back. Have I got that right Courtney? And whilst you decide whether to respond to that or not how cool is this everything in one place? That's so nice.

[00:51:01] Daniel Schutzsmith: Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:51:04] Nathan Wrigley: I

[00:51:04] Daniel Schutzsmith: believe it's using the GitHub workflow, to actually do that, which I

[00:51:08] Nathan Wrigley: haven't played with yet, which is, I am not sure Courtney maybe can tell us, but honestly there must be like two, two or 300 things referenced there. Some of it is potentially a few weeks old. I think the, some stuff goes back to March, but there's an awful lot of stuff in there which happened during the last few days.

So there's things in that list. Six, the may things in that list from the 4th of May, the 10th of May. What ha oh, it's the agenda for the chat on the 10th of May. I was thinking she's posting from the future. How good is she? Surely it's the ninth debate. Yeah, I get it. But essentially it's all being kept up to date teams and their outposts updated via our S she says, so I can probably read the URL for this one easily enough.

It's it's github.com. In fact, let me just post it on the screen is going to be a whole lot easier than me just trying to read it that ad. Is that going to work? Yeah, there we go. So it's get hub.com forward slash Courtney R dash dev forward slash make dash WP. I don't know if that's the intended home forever and ever, but that's where it's living now.

And it really is like everything that you could possibly need to know. So I think it's worth worth a book, mark. And again, it's in the show notes. If you miss it get, oh, here we go. Here we go. Daniel. She says, get her actions under the hood to update all this over RSS. There you go. Clever. Very clever.

So yeah, props to Courtney. Now let's move from props to more props, double props. This is so interesting. I don't even know where to begin with this. Actually, that's not true. Anne McCarthy with her museum of block art a little while ago, which had a flavor of this, but this is, I have no relationship with arts, particularly.

Other than that, I lo I know what I like when I see it, but I don't visit art galleries, but I do recognize that, this stuff is needed in the world. People thrive off it, people love it. And I think it's fair to say that art is a hard gig to make a living from. So wouldn't it be nice?

Wouldn't it be lovely if somebody stepped up and said, do you know what we're going to, we're going to allow you to create some digital art and unwell employee to do it well, as luck would have it. The guys over at get shifter have done exactly that it's their residency program. They're calling it internet art at digital cube residency program.

Rachel Wintrust, Winchester posted about this a couple of weeks ago. So it's not brand new news, but I thought it was worth looking at and a digital cubes, internet art residency program is officially open for proposals. So you're going to be in a bit of a competition, but hopefully they'll find a winning artist.

We seek an artist, it says quote, to make internet art with us and to temporarily join the digital cube community as a. Check this out for a cool title artist in residence. Not only do we want to create artworks, but we're excited about creating work opportunities to help artists develop their careers.

This is a paid opportunity. The artist pay rate will be negotiated during the selection process. In addition to the work the artists will do with the digital cube team on their project, we have other creative and collaborative activities planned giving presentations workshops, hijacking their social media accounts, creating content for blogs.

So it could be not just. Art, but it could be, writing things and so on as well. Okay. I'm just a bit knocked over by this. I just think it's exceptionally cool and props Bravo to to the get shifted crew. Maybe there's somebody, maybe it's Rachel herself who wrote this Rachel Winchester who has a deep interest in art.

I don't know, but I'm so pleased that somebody is doing this. Excellent. And I want you all to fully comment on this because I think this is brilliant.

And then silence. I think it's

[00:55:34] Daniel Schutzsmith: great. One of the, one of the things I've seen in the past too, is a similar type of thing in different startups that were, in California or also in a lot of digital agencies in New York, when I was working there, that would do something like this. We have artists in residency.

This is a little bit more unique because it's completely online. So you're virtual. So I think that's going to be pretty interesting. The other key thing it says in there too, is that they actually get to use the same resources as everyone else in the in the company. So they can pull in staff to help create things.

They don't have to be able to. It seems they don't have to be able to know all the technologies that can actually have the staff, help them do things to execute their.

[00:56:16] Nathan Wrigley: So you fully become like a member of the team, as it said, you'll become a member of the team for that period of time in prison. Yeah.

Oh, that's so nice. Anyway. Sorry, Michelle. You carry on.

[00:56:26] Michelle Frechette: I just said I was agreeing. I think it's a great idea. I just also wondering where NFTs might come into play in the future, because it just seems like some of that artwork would probably be for sale at some point like that, but

[00:56:40] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. Intriguing.

Okay. So you think maybe it's forward play into the future of NFTs and maybe they'll it could

[00:56:48] Michelle Frechette: Right. They may decide to put, to take part of that ecosystem over there too, but I just, yeah, no, I think it's fascinating. And I love, I am constantly talking about the non-developer side of WordPress and technology.

Specifically marketing usually for me, but the artistry that comes along with what we do. Phenomenal. There it's hard to find one person that can do the artistry of it. And also, the deep development of it as somebody that has all of those marketing and all of those things together.

So to see projects, pull those people together to create beauty, I think is a wonderful thing.

[00:57:30] Nathan Wrigley: Nice. Yeah. Big it, anything to add?

[00:57:34] Birgit Pauli-Haack: I can only reiterate what Daniel and Michelle was saying. It's a really cool project and I love that the artists also get to know more about technology because that's the preview, the next home.

It's one thing. Yeah, they will have exhibits online. They will have to even sell their art online. And for companies that are very like digital cube is very technical technical oriented. They have a hard time. Creating websites that are visually appealing that are pulling people in from an artist, from a visual point of view.

So having a resident artists that helps with that part as well. Yeah. Being when I look at Yoast, which has looked at the website there, they have a a resident cartoonist for the last 10 years already. Yeah. That does all the avatars and does all featured images and all their visuals in the courses.

Yeah. So there is a field

[00:58:38] Nathan Wrigley: that, that person that does those avatars that's there a staff member. Just for that, I don't mean just for that, but for all of their blog posts and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[00:58:51] Birgit Pauli-Haack: And we need more artists to be Be able to be that person to find a a visual vocabulary for a company that is mainly online.

So I think it was a great initiative

[00:59:08] Nathan Wrigley: is really fast cited. I think of yolks to do that because since I've been in WordPress, that, that theme, I've never seen things from Yoast where that feel and look didn't exist. So whenever that began, I joined WordPress after the, or at least noticed Yoast and every time they get a new blog post, they've got a bespoke piece of art and I.

I just assumed that they would freelance that out to somebody or, but having somebody on staff that can take care of that's cool. The other one that I don't know if you've noticed more recently as master WP, they've got this beautiful website and every time they create a new post now either they have the most amazing stock image resource, or they've got somebody making their little posts each time, but each time they come out, they've got what looks almost like a pastoral watercolory kind of thing on their posts that relate to the posting question.

So there was one this week about blocks and it was the block protocol. And so they've got this beautiful picture of a bunch of blocks. Now, maybe that existed already, but it feels like they're getting those made cause they're very specific and yeah you notice it right. You, it just somehow locks in and mustard WP just feels like quality for me.

There's another, just one more reason why I think that website is.

[01:00:30] Michelle Frechette: And give WP has had an artist as a graphic artist, as part of this full-time staff for over three years. And stellar WP does as well. Specifically somebody that was with the events calendar who came in to sell our, one of the Ms.

Calendar was acquired and Jackie is phenomenal artists, and she does a lot of the work that you see on the Stella

[01:00:51] Nathan Wrigley: WP things. I am so getting schooled. I didn't know any of this was going on. These artists who just look look making great things that I just assume freelancers have done. Oh, that's lovely.

So give WP as well. Yeah. Okay. I'm totally going to go off on a tangent now that none of you are expecting because somebody said the word NFT NFTE for me is a trigger word. It causes verbal diarrhea.

I don't get it. Would somebody explain why you would part with your hard-earned money for that Ft? You don't have to answer it, but every time this topic comes up, I'm like, wait, no, I don't get it. I still don't get it. No matter how hard I try, I re I still don't get it, even though I want to get it. I don't get it.

Somebody put me out.

[01:01:44] Michelle Frechette: Can we just say that the word fungible is like one of the most fun words to stay out there. Like I was like, what was NFC sandbar, non fungible and I'd never, I thought I'd never heard that word.

[01:01:57] Nathan Wrigley: There's a thought, there's a try, but I'm going to use the word tribe from ancient Ethiopia back in the 14 hundreds and their name is possibly the best word ever.

Their name is the fungi F U N J. And that just the roll off the tongue of the fungi. Anyway, back to NFCS

of the fungi. Are you curious about this stuff or are you like me? Just a guest when you see people spending like hospital wing amounts of money the right to say, I got the first, this or that thing. That's digital is mine. I just, I

[01:02:39] Michelle Frechette: don't that you've got to say is if you are interested in spending that kind of money visit my Instagram, any of my photos are for sale.

[01:02:48] Nathan Wrigley: We'll go and sorry, you shouldn't get all political or just go and give it to a school or something, I don't know. And you mentioned a

[01:02:55] Daniel Schutzsmith: few with the LAPOs and stuff and things like that and played around with it. But, it's I'd say 99% of it is really just glorified baseball card collecting.

That's how it feels, there's a market for it right now. If you talk to folks like Jason Calacanis and folks that are on the, the cusp of a lot of these things happening, Kevin Rowe they, say this is just the Beary start of that whole technology of using NFTs and all these things.

So

[01:03:26] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, it is what it is right now. Maybe there's something useful that will come of it, but for now,

[01:03:31] Daniel Schutzsmith: and they'll talk about, yeah, they'll talk about five years down

[01:03:33] Nathan Wrigley: the road. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I haven't been buying NFTs. No doubt. Anyway, I don't suppose I will, but you said the trigger word, Michelle.

So I had to dive in. I'm sorry. All right. Let's get back to WordPress. That's right.

Let's go for this. This is nice. This is a image filters. Jace, sorry, Kevin bat Dorf. This is over on the WP Tavern website. The image filters plugin adds over 1220 filters, including vintage pustular pink and more. If you've got a mobile phone, this is nothing new. You've had this on your phone, Instagram for probably over a decade now, but it's a nice feature to come into WordPress.

You Chuck in an image, you press a button in the block settings and on the screen we can, I don't even know what they are. What are they does? There's furry creatures, little plush toys that look a bit like an octopus could be a squared mixed with a cow. I'm not sure, but can imagine, it applies that sort of green layer to it or applies some sort of filtering to make it look a little bit different.

I think those are facts. They're not Fox are they focuses? That's a weird octopus cat thing. That's what that is. But I think somebody in there, somebody in the comments made the same thing I got on it. I've got to find it

[01:05:04] Michelle Frechette: look at the second one.

[01:05:06] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, was it? Okay. Boxes. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I'm going to assume. Okay. I'm going to assume that their Fox is all right. Another use case it's just another little block from a developer does one thing. Does it really well? Could you do this in Photoshop? Yes, of course you could. And do you need all of those skills? I don't know how many you get to choose from. I think it's 20 plus a seems to be in my memory 20 to 25, 22. It's limited. It'll do whatever on the screen, but I just thought that was cool. Block worth. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:05:48] Daniel Schutzsmith: I like things like this because as a theme developer, I don't want people to really, to mess with the images in the first place, like the original image.

So if they could just use a CSS filter and put it over it, terrific. We can eliminate even more. That's even

[01:06:01] Nathan Wrigley: better. Ah, interestingly, apparently this doesn't apply CSS to the image. Apparently this creates a new version of the image, which sits in the library somewhere. So I guess there might be some concern around that.

If you're happily clicking, oh, I'll create all 18 and I'll see which one I like best. I don't know where they live or if they get expunged. So that could be a cause

16 gigabytes of most storage in the last 12, 12 weeks. So that might be a concern. So choose wisely, pick wisely, only click once, or maybe it'll just delete. I don't know. Anyway, the point is I love these blocks, but like Daniel, I love these blocks that do one thing. And just one thing. And it's, will I make use of this?

Me personally? Probably not, but I can see that it could well be useful for other people. Yeah. Okey-doke

[01:06:56] Birgit Pauli-Haack: yeah. And Kevin is actually a developer the extended, fine team. Yeah they ex explore, extending the core plugs quite a bit. Yeah.

[01:07:13] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Yeah. That's their sort of UVP isn't it is basically, if you if you use our product extend defy and you've got the pro suite, or, you, I think you get 10 free patterns a month or something, if you're on the free plan, maybe not a month, maybe in total, but the idea being that they apply very little it's not like a premium suite of blocks.

They just use the core blocks out a bit of, I think it's tailwind or something. Which you can then keep yourself if you like okay. That's cool. Didn't know that. Righty. Ho where are we up to now? We are right. I really don't know what to say about this. I'm going to just throw it out there. I've got a feeling that this came from brainstorm force.

I could be wrong. I don't know if anybody wants. Go and inspect somewhere or other, but this is so brainstorm force, I should say they produce things like the Astra theme, which is a hugely popular WordPress theme. They produce things like ultimate ad-ons for element or, and beaver builder. What else do they do?

They've got a whole sweeter or they've got a thing called convert box. They've got a whole load of WordPress products basically. And some of them are very successful. And I think this is them. They've got this new thing called spectra. Now the devil's work, trying to figure out what it does but their marketing pieces just launching, it says spectra 2.0 enables you to create websites that are as fast and handy as hand coded ones, an easy.

For users of any skill level, whole point of this page is to try and get you to sign up. You click request access, and you go to a form and sign up about the access. Now, obviously anybody that's ever used Gothenburg will instantly recognize this is not some kind of new proprietary builder. There's an image here, and it's clearly using the block editor.

And it says what's coming is a complete layout system, powerful layout mechanism lets you solve common, responsive web design problems using a simple, powerful interface. They're going to throw in 30 block, 30 plus blocks. They say it's built for speed, powerful workflow features, blah, blah, blah. The usual marketing stuff.

But it's all built inside the WordPress block editor. I don't even know what this is going to be. I can understand if it was just a suite of blocks, but. What's this complete layout system. Why? If it,

[01:09:46] Daniel Schutzsmith: if you go to the main URL WP, spectrum.com, there's a banner at the top used to be ultimate, or maybe it's not Sean.

Oh, there it is. Ultimate ons for Gutenberg. So now it's called.

[01:09:59] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. So are we looking at anything new then? Or is it now just repackaged a different, your name instead of calling it ultimate Adams, which is a bit of a long thing, isn't it ultimately, I don't think the 2.0 2.9.

Yeah. Some of the things look, some of the sort of marketing pieces seem to be the same. I don't know. Maybe that was me being sucked in by the marketing, but anyway, spectrum, it's a thing. Got it. I've played with it before.

[01:10:30] Daniel Schutzsmith: It's not, it doesn't have a lot of bloat to it. It does give you the ability to tend to turn things on or off and decide what you want to use.

But I haven't played with it enough to know. How useful everything is.

[01:10:43] Nathan Wrigley: What do you reckon to all these things be, or get that are starting to bolt into WordPress is block editor in some way, kind a lock you in, in other words, if you start using them, you've then got to keep using them.

Otherwise your site is going to go down and you've got any thoughts on that. Obviously that's the WordPress way. You can do that if you wish, but would you, do you have any concerns around.

[01:11:09] Birgit Pauli-Haack: No, not more concerns than using a plugging at all. Yeah. That's what you said, it's a good first way that people build on top of WordPress.

And if you want to use those, you need to install the plugin and if you want to keep using it you need to keep using the plugin. I think it's a. Because it's blocks and some plugins on actually just extending the core block. So if a plugin goes away I don't know, I haven't tested spectra, but I think it's it's the start of or the next phase of what started out in three years ago when additional blood collections came out, like cadence is a one from Stella WP, gate, cadence theme.

There are others out there coal blocks with Richard TAVR and the co-founder that was sold to go there. And it's now a theme called go. And there are others out there like spectra that pivot from a Gutenberg lock collection to a layout system in. In step with the core development and core doing a lot of foundational work there.

I have seen others that are not as prominent at all. Haven't been live either that built a full systems around it. And it really depends on how the plugin developers treat them. The users in terms of luck in how it will turn out if people decide to not use it anymore. And but that's, it's most plugins that give you additional functionality when you switch it off.

Yeah. The custom postdoc has gone. The calendar's gone. Yeah.

[01:12:57] Nathan Wrigley: All that. Yeah. That block is just literally missing and you get some kind of error message on your website. Yeah. So here's Jane Brenneker who always puts me straight. She says from an email from brainstorm as part of our undertaken, we are thrilled to announce that we are rebranding ultimate alums for Gothenburg to spectra.

So there's no news here. Let's move on. This is however, this is cool. I do this WP rocket. I don't, I confess it. I don't use it, but I know a lot of people who do in including my good friend, David Walmsley, lovely new feature WP rocket is a course of sort of optimization. Product cashing and so on and so forth.

WP rocket three point 11. I don't know if you should say 3.1 bomb. I don't really know. Anyway, they've got this new technology where they are going to remove on new CSS. Now, essentially, I think what happens is you click a button, voodoo occurs like just total magic and then about 80 seconds later, your homepage has been scraped, scanned, and they figured out actually, you know what.

Tom of CSS is never getting used. Let's get rid of it. And instead let's have this much slimmer version, then it goes around to the rest of your website. And on my understanding is that it takes a page every couple of minutes or something. So it, hopefully if you're on a minimal server, it will cope.

And it just strips out the bits and pieces that are not used on a page by page basis. I'm guessing it'll need to be constantly doing that. If you're going around and saving things on your site right down here is a comparison table. They, so here's the claim they're making element. Or if you begin with a, it says a page builder use with WooCommerce, you'd have 924 kilobytes.

This smushes it down to 1, 1, 3. So 88% pretty similar stats for beaver builder, 88% Gutenberg. They claim to have got down by 88% visual composer. You get the idea? I like it. I noticed that Jetpack has a similar feature. I don't know. If it's doing it in the exact same way, but it seems like a no brainer to me.

I don't know. This seems like a nice technology.

[01:15:18] Daniel Schutzsmith: Yeah, this seems great. It's one of the things I think that's been missing from a lot of these caching plugins. We've been able to do it doing, node and things like that on the developer side, but.

Rarely does that end up in a theme like that? Because we have so many things now that we can, we can't forecast.

[01:15:40] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. And typically I think it would have just been done on a sort of site-wide basis. Whereas this, by the looks of it is taking the time to go to a page, figure it all out. And like I say, it's voodoo don't even ask, they don't know how they've done it.

They just did things and prayed to serve

that's right. But it seems to work. And if you're a WP, rocket customer Bravo, I suspect that all the other, I suspect this will start getting a lot of attention. And then a lot of. Plugins or go and do it as well. Like I said, I've seen that Jetpack does a similar thing. I enabled it on a WordPress website with Jetpack the other day, and it was crawling the site cause this progress bar went across and it took a long time to complete, it was like hours.

So something was happening, not on the, it wasn't minutes, it was doing things slowly. So anyway, there we go. Very nice. And now where are we now? So we're onto the user submitted content from our guests today. The first one that we're going to do is I just want to say how lovely that brick wall is.

That's just a lovely wall. This is yours, a big at Gutenberg times, WordPress 6.0 Devin sneak peaks and articles. We can in addition to one for.

[01:17:01] Birgit Pauli-Haack: This I'm a part of, I have a weekend edition every week about what happened in the Gutenberg or in the plugin or block editor kind of space.

And last week's Saturdays is just mostly about the Def nodes for the block editor, because there were deaf notes. But if you are interested in using in developing fuel for the block editor, building themes, these are the ones that you probably want to look at. And I and there were single posts in the top and then below there is also a miscellaneous section where.

We only collect yeah, the snippets for it. And then in that post also upcoming, regular social learning meetups that all in may. So that's certainly interesting for everybody. I wanted to point out one thing, if you scroll up a little higher to the mask with A little bit more. Yeah. Hear that.

That's one, there's one in the middle of it. And that says registration of blocks from within themes. That's a small change, but it's big for theme developers, especially for agency developers who build full sites for for customers. And if they want to switch themes they use the same contractor, but it was always hard to register blocks with the theme and they had to maintain and deploy additional plugins for their theme.

And that was seemed to be quite a nightmare in the agency space for the last few years, because it's hard to do that. And now there's an official way to do this. Not that it's recommends. But it's still, if you are a theme developer and sell your theme, don't put blocks in there. But if you are an agency developer and you have one client and the theme is just for that yeah.

It definitely helps with being able to register all the

[01:19:16] Nathan Wrigley: Blockstack. Daniel nodding thinking. I like him. Yeah. Yeah. He's liking that. So that's Gutenberg times.com and this particular piece was released. Actually. I don't know if there's no. It's all on the bottom. It wasn't

[01:19:30] Birgit Pauli-Haack: Saturday.

[01:19:32] Nathan Wrigley: Okay.

So you'll be able to search for Saturday at the most recent, shall we say? I must say these list items. They're conspicuously lacking images. The next time, this comes around, I'm hoping to see several images and other nested random

[01:19:51] Daniel Schutzsmith: notes.

[01:19:56] Nathan Wrigley: that's what we're going to do. Block inception. That's such a good name. Okay. Thank you. A big hit for that. And we'll try to link to that one in the show notes as well. So this is the user contributed bit from Michelle for chef Michelle has a camera and she's very good at using it. I suspect if I had a camera, you'd be staring at pictures of my knees and my feet and things like that.

What are we looking at here? This is your.

[01:20:26] Michelle Frechette: I only post the good pictures. There's tons that never see the light of day. But I spent last week on a birdwatching nature, watching vacation, rented an Airbnb all by myself and went out every day with the camera. That's a great blue Heron coming in for a landing.

[01:20:49] Nathan Wrigley: Did you crop that by any chance? Cause it's like perfectly aligned in the middle. Isn't it? Height, width, everything.

[01:20:57] Michelle Frechette: I'm an artist. So yes, of course.

[01:20:59] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I was thinking you are good. If you can get the bird to do what you like.

[01:21:04] Michelle Frechette: I don't know if I'm, if I said this before we were on our or after, but almost every single photo I take is taken from the front seat of my car.

So I drive around, I don't walk well. And so getting out and hiking to see birds and things, that's just not something I'm able to do. So I drive through a lot of the marina wildlife refuge, which was, you could go five miles an hour. It's one way, one lane, but like the blue Jay there that was in a cemetery I drove through the cemetery and I got that blue Jay a little further down, like the Eagle on the right there.

That was just on a, I was just driving down a road, happen to look up and see it. So I pulled over, I had the cameras with me and then the green hair in, which is right below that Eagle. I know it's blue, but it's technically called a green Heron. I was on a dirt road that I just thought looked interesting.

And I swear, I heard banjos here, but I looked over and there was just a swampy, still water. And I took a picture of just the water. That's look later to see if I could see anything. I look to the right. And there was that bird and I took about 40 pictures of him. I went around, I went down the road again and he was on a different log in a different direction.

And I was just like he just wants his picture

[01:22:18] Nathan Wrigley: taken. So I'm going to let you into a confession. Michelle, I love taking pictures, but I'm the kind of guy that loves to just take pictures of how it is right now. And so I use my phone and essentially, I just want you to curate what was really happening with my kids.

So I never went smile or just took the picture. But when over the more recent past your stuff is coming up more and more in my Facebook feed, like I've quit almost everything on Facebook, but your stuff gets through and. I've started to look at cameras. And my son, I told you the other day, didn't I, my son was looking over my shoulder and he was looking at your stuff and he says, I want to do that.

That looks really fun. So yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna really, I think this will be very good for me. Put it that way to get this as a hobby. I feel it would do me a world of good. Yeah. It's a lot

[01:23:11] Michelle Frechette: of fun and it takes practice. I, the photos I take now are way better than what I took four years ago, five years ago when I first got my camera.

And I was used to switch lenses for the zoom lens and the regular. Now I have two camera bodies so that I can just switch cameras and not have to constantly be switching lenses. And then I, I use a photo, a couple of different photo editing software. I use Lightroom to add, to develop the photos.

And then if I need to really do any touch up and things like that, let's say there's a branch in the way I can go into Photoshop and

[01:23:42] Nathan Wrigley: remove those kinds of oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a lot of the fun as well. Just really getting into all of the editing side of things. The thing is you've got Eagles and fun stuff like that.

If I did this in the UK, I'd get like blackbirds and Robbins and there's only, so you have to go on holiday and a camera. Yeah. I think you're right. Once you start paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:24:05] Michelle Frechette: And that's just the thing, right? Like I see a sea animals all the time, then I'll say, oh, there's a deer. Or there's a Finch.

And people are like where I'm like, you just start to be tuned in to seeing it. That's a pipe build grieve. You just went by. On the left there

[01:24:20] Nathan Wrigley: that wasn't a swab. I'm not allowed to click on them anymore. Instagram's decided San Piper.

[01:24:30] Daniel Schutzsmith: I feel like this needs narration. Like the majestic

[01:24:32] Nathan Wrigley: natural.

Who'd be quite good at

this guy with this.

So good at that. Oh, Michelle, I feel it

[01:24:49] Michelle Frechette: projects say the Canada Gosling, Nestles under his mother's wing. I just want to hear you say that. Cause that's what that is. It's the Canada guideline.

[01:25:03] Nathan Wrigley: I've got to write that down. What was that? The Canada Gosling, Nestles. I'm going at? That's going to be the episode title for this week.

[01:25:11] Daniel Schutzsmith: A

[01:25:11] Michelle Frechette: good one. I don't say Canadian though, because the Canadian people get really irritated when you call it the Canadian goose. It's not a citizen.

[01:25:19] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. As soon as it crosses the border, it has to get some sort of check where's your

[01:25:26] Michelle Frechette: passport.

[01:25:29] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, what a lovely set of stuff. It's instagram.com forward slash Michelle. I'll spell it. M I C H E L E a M E S. It's not for shades aims at the end, so I'll try to include that

[01:25:44] Michelle Frechette: as well.

And that's the top one. It looks much like your regular is that is a snow goose. So I actually have to go and look up these birds cause I'm like, I know it's a goose, but what kind of goose is it? So I just go to Google, black tail feathers. And it's

[01:26:00] Nathan Wrigley: what a nice hobby. How nice is that? Right?

We're going to quickly move on. Where did this one come from, keeping up with Guttenberg index?

[01:26:09] Birgit Pauli-Haack: It's a hand curated. It's a similar idea that caught my hand. But I started it for the make with keeping up with food and go up. There was a lot of people that say it changes then I don't know where to go to keep it up and with what the change is also.

I started that in 2022. And now this is the third year.

[01:26:30] Nathan Wrigley: Hasn't indexed. Make.wordpress.org forward slash core forward slash handbook forward slash references. But you just bookmark it keeping up with Gutenberg index hyphenated, each of those words, and that URL stays the same. You just keep adding to it, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

[01:26:48] Birgit Pauli-Haack: And I do for the previous year. So if you want to look at what was the change log of plugins 12, five, you can go here and find it.

[01:27:01] Nathan Wrigley: And just for the custodian of all this stuff, you and Courtney, and just put us all to shame is brilliant. And then tiny press. Go on. Tell us about tiny price.

Tiny

[01:27:17] Daniel Schutzsmith: press was a concept that came up with just because I wanted to do something on the side where I can learn about doing email newsletters and that whole, ecosystem of all the plugins around it and everything. So I'm using newsletter glue for lists on top of WordPress and send it out.

It's basically a Gutenberg, on the backend. And it's just three links that I send out once a week, usually on Fridays. And they're just interesting things I found.

[01:27:42] Nathan Wrigley: So yeah, so it's a newsletter, but the difference is it's basically three links. It's just that each week three links no more, no less of something that you found curious in.

Yup. Exactly. So tiny press dot. How do we get on this list? I know I'm on the list, but I don't know, email or you go tiny press.email. Oh, look, you couldn't have made it easier. That's fairly straightforward. Isn't it? A tiny press star email, put in your email address, click subscribe, and a, and you'll get onto Daniel's email list and you've got three links a week and it's very helpful.

Indeed. Thank you. It's the sort of thing that I use each week to see what's going on in WordPress. I'm going to share you my pick of the week, but my pick of the week for the first time ever is hardware. I I wanna show you this little thing. This is for podcasters. Look at this little beauty, this is the zoom.

I'll put it there. It's a bit easy to see. So it's got four XLR ports. It's called the zoom P four and you can plug in four sets of headphones, four microphones. You've got these little buttons. Ah, no, you've got these little buttons here, which enabled you to play I dunno, intro music or outro music or jingles.

And the idea is that it's battery operated. You just put in two AA batteries and you can turn up to a live event. Oh, I dunno. Something like word camp Europe, let's say. And sit down with some nice folk and drone on about WordPress and it all fits. I was going to say, I'd have to have fairly big pockets, but it fits in my hand and that's fun.

So top tip the it's called the zoom pod track P for. I've had a play with it this week and it is highly recommended. It's made of plastic. It looks like it's metal. It isn't. If I drop it, it will be ruined. I'm sure. But I'm in depth. I'm endeavoring not to drop it. So that's my recommendation for this week.

If you like podcasting and you want to do stuff live that's dead. Cool.

[01:29:49] Birgit Pauli-Haack: What kind of microphones to plugin?

[01:29:52] Nathan Wrigley: Do you know what I've just got? I've got this one, but this is the shore MV seven, but it's not portable because it doesn't really do you know what I mean? There's no way to hold it in your hand.

And I feel like a lot of the live stuff is going to be somebody holding it in the hand. So there's a, I've got a couple of these, which are just pretty basic. They're called the audio Technica AR ATR two fat 2 1 0 0 acts. And it's got it's quite nice because it's got an excerpt or I can't even pull it out now.

It's got an XLR connection in the bottom. As well as a USB connection and headphones. So you could plug the headphones of your guests right into there. And there's a little volume dial. It's a bit on the plosive side, meaning that. If they go topic, you get the P hits really hard. So I'm going to have to educate people to just hold it sideways like that.

And it will be fine, but they're the ones I'm going to use. I think you got

[01:30:51] Michelle Frechette: karaoke with those two probably. Ooh,

[01:30:54] Nathan Wrigley: I hadn't thought about that. WordPress karaoke. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah. Sorry, Daniel. You were going to say I use the what

[01:31:07] Daniel Schutzsmith: was it? The zoom H four N for years, which was,

[01:31:10] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, it's basically a similar setup. Only it's got like dials. People turned down, people had, so these are, these pots are for the headphone volume. So each person gets a different volume. These are for the mic volume and you can mute them.

You can bring somebody in on Skype. I won't keep going on, but I think it's really great. And it's teeny tiny. So it'll fit in the backpack and it, honestly, I'm going to talk in kilos. I reckon it weighs like 300 grams. It's nothing is again, it's like there's voodoo in there. If I open it up, I reckon there's a wizard, a small wizard in there.

Just like a about that anyway, that's it we've done. Unless you guys got anything else,

[01:31:55] Birgit Pauli-Haack: get into a laptop, right? No, it, no, it

[01:31:58] Nathan Wrigley: just that's it. So there's an SD card, like a regular SD card. And so it records everything. It records every track separately, as well as every. Bounced onto one. So you can edit it if you want to, after the fact.

But anyway, you got bored everybody to death now, so I'm quite excited. Yeah, that's right.

[01:32:23] Birgit Pauli-Haack: I get a third time.

[01:32:25] Michelle Frechette: You've said food is, so if you don't register WP vudu.com, by the end of the day,

[01:32:30] Nathan Wrigley: that was something else I was going to register earlier as well. It was not forgotten. Oh, thank you. Fun episode says Patricia that's.

That's nice to hear. Thank you so much. And she wants to know if there's a bird.

[01:32:45] Michelle Frechette: The rest of the, I haven't discovered it yet,

[01:32:47] Nathan Wrigley: but you can throw a photo into, and it'll tell you accurately what the bird up bet there is. And again, this

[01:32:53] Michelle Frechette: is there's one bird photo I haven't identified yet. So I'll have to look for that.

Okay.

[01:32:57] Nathan Wrigley: Okay. That's it. That's all we got for this week. We're very late. I'm sorry. The guests I'm four minutes over, but thank you. Big. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Michelle. Now, Daniel, you don't know about this. This is the humiliating bit at the end where everybody has to raise their hands and wave big it all at the same time, we'd have to do it for long.

That's probably more than enough that Q so much. Thank you for joining us. We'll put this out as a podcast episode next week, and we'll see you all next week for this week.