[00:00:00] Nathan Wrigley: Hello there, and welcome once again to the WP Builds podcast. You've reached episode number 417, entitled The Nice Show with Mark Westguard, episode two, more niceness. It was published on Thursday, the 10th of April, 2025. My name's Nathan Wrigley, and I'll be joined by the very nice Mark Westguard in a few moments time. But before that, a few bits of housekeeping.
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Okay, what have we got for you today? Well, as I said, it's the Nice Show, Episode Two. I'm calling this, More Niceness. A few months ago, Mark Westguard joined me for the first show. It's a new idea, and basically, here's the premise. The world is tough. There's a lot going on. You may be fed off with politics. You may be fed up with your work. You may be fed up with the weather. You may be fed up with all the things going on in your life. But somewhere out there in a corner of the internet, something nice is happening, and Mark and I try to explore some of the bits and pieces that we have discovered in the recent past, and try and just bring a little light into your day.
So not a lot of WordPress in here. That's not true, there's a fair amount of WordPress, especially towards the beginning, but we do stray off into all sorts of different directions.
I hope you'll excuse this. I just think it's a nice idea to try and paint some positivity into all of our lives. So here it comes with the very nice Mark Westguard. And I hope that you enjoy it.
I am joined on the podcast by Mr. Mark Westguard. Hello.
[00:06:16] Mark Westguard: Hello, we're we're back again.
[00:06:18] Nathan Wrigley: we are giggling. mark and I, a few months ago, started this a series of podcast episodes called The Nice Show. Basically, there's too much silliness going on in the world, and this is a rebuttal to that.
We are, we are scouring the internet looking for things over the last three months that have entertained us, made us feel that the world is. Not quite as bad as it may otherwise seem. So, very little of this is to do with WordPress, but who cares?
[00:06:45] Mark Westguard: It is just,
[00:06:46] Nathan Wrigley: because it'll be fun and it'll be nice.
[00:06:49] Mark Westguard: it will be nice. Yeah. Nothing but nice things.
[00:06:52] Nathan Wrigley: no. So last time we started with a, a series of sort of subheadings, if you like. So everything that we're gonna cover hopefully will be nice. That's a given, but we start with nice people. That's how we started it
[00:07:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:07:03] Nathan Wrigley: do you wanna kick us off? You've got a person that you like and think is nice.
[00:07:06] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Well one of many people I think is, is nice is Derek Haw and he, he, he runs a company called Sunshine and has a, a few plugins. His latest one is Conversion Bridge, but what a nice guy I, I met, what a nice guy. I met him, work camp US in Washington. I think it was a few years ago. At an event. And, we've stayed in touch ever since.
And we, we're in a mastermind group together and, just a thoroughly bloody nice bloke is, is Derek, you know, so
[00:07:44] Nathan Wrigley: many times.
[00:07:45] Mark Westguard: we are.
[00:07:45] Nathan Wrigley: what is a mastermind group? What the heck do you get up to in there? Do you just sort of sit
[00:07:49] Mark Westguard: Oh, so top secret? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:51] Nathan Wrigley: stroke cats and?
[00:07:53] Mark Westguard: We basically just, tell each other our woes and, try and cheer each other up basically. So
[00:08:01] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. That's quite nice.
[00:08:02] Mark Westguard: now it's good. There's a lot of, a lot of experience in those mastermind groups. Yeah, well, I mean, we're gonna talk about some of the community things that we're doing that are similar to that, but it's kind of in a Slack channel.
We ask each other questions and try to come up with solutions, so yeah,
[00:08:17] Nathan Wrigley: is nice. It's
[00:08:19] Mark Westguard: it is.
[00:08:19] Nathan Wrigley: I,
[00:08:20] Mark Westguard: It's,
[00:08:20] Nathan Wrigley: met Derek, but not, I, I don't know if I've met Derek in the real world, but I've definitely done a couple of podcast episodes with him
[00:08:26] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:08:26] Nathan Wrigley: share
[00:08:26] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:08:27] Nathan Wrigley: Nice, nice chap.
[00:08:29] Mark Westguard: Thoroughly, thoroughly,
[00:08:30] Nathan Wrigley: it's my turn.
[00:08:31] Mark Westguard: yeah. You'll go.
[00:08:32] Nathan Wrigley: person this time around is, Miriam Schwab.
[00:08:36] Mark Westguard: Oh, what a
[00:08:37] Nathan Wrigley: loads of times. She currently works for Elementor, but I met her
[00:08:39] Mark Westguard: she does?
[00:08:40] Nathan Wrigley: Camp. Ooh, I wanna say Word Camp Europe in Berlin. I think it
[00:08:45] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:08:45] Nathan Wrigley: First met her there,
[00:08:46] Mark Westguard: Wow.
[00:08:48] Nathan Wrigley: actually.
[00:08:48] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:08:49] Nathan Wrigley: I've met her many, many times since then, but usually it's quite fleeting. You know, we sit
[00:08:53] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:53] Nathan Wrigley: a couple of minutes, but I was at CLOUDFEST the other week
[00:08:56] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:57] Nathan Wrigley: probably for more like 40 minutes.
There was
[00:08:59] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:09:00] Nathan Wrigley: having a real, a real chat
[00:09:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:09:02] Nathan Wrigley: ended up really getting into the weeds of like our families and the state of life where we live and all of that kind
[00:09:08] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:09:09] Nathan Wrigley: And I just got a real insight into. Yeah, just a really nice person, basically.
[00:09:14] Mark Westguard: Miriam's one of these people that when you meet her, it may be fleeting, but always memorable. She's, always got something nice to say. She's got a great personality and always, always enjoy. I always feel like I wanna spend more time with Miriam, but, we're always so busy.
[00:09:29] Nathan Wrigley: I think,
[00:09:30] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:09:32] Nathan Wrigley: I
[00:09:32] Mark Westguard: Oh, she is.
[00:09:33] Nathan Wrigley: for measuring that is,
[00:09:34] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:09:35] Nathan Wrigley: you meet somebody and you just think there's, there's a lot of brain power behind that person.
[00:09:40] Mark Westguard: There is a lot of genuine brain power there with Miriam, that's for sure.
[00:09:43] Nathan Wrigley: That's what I get when I speak to
[00:09:45] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:09:46] Nathan Wrigley: says, she, you meet some people and you know, they stumble over their words and they have to rethink things.
She just doesn't exhibit any of that. She just seems to know
[00:09:55] Mark Westguard: Yep.
[00:09:56] Nathan Wrigley: say. Maybe she's clairvoyant. She, she's already figured out all the conversations that she's gonna
[00:10:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:10:02] Nathan Wrigley: There you
[00:10:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:10:03] Nathan Wrigley: there you go.
[00:10:04] Mark Westguard: Two very nice people.
[00:10:06] Nathan Wrigley: I think you are nice. And, the next thing is nice code and I,
[00:10:10] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:10:11] Nathan Wrigley: Really not got any nice code, but I've got a, I've got a plugin suggestion for you all, and the URL I'm gonna mention is code block pro.com. And each of those words is separated by a hyphen. So it's code-block-pro.com. And if you go there, this came to me the other day from Dan, maybe who's also another nice person.
[00:10:33] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:10:34] Nathan Wrigley: he was looking for a plugin that would en enable him to put code. his website so that people could read code snippets. but obviously if you just copy and paste code onto a website, it doesn't have all of the, the, you know, the highlighting and the colors and the, the correct spacing and tabbing and all of that kind of stuff.
So this is a plugin which does that. And if you look. that website, you'll see that essentially it covers, gosh, I mean, honestly, what is that? That's probably about 150 different languages. Most of them I've
[00:11:06] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:11:06] Nathan Wrigley: heard of. One called Lure, one called Prisma, one called Pop it TCL, turtle Statter, and I could go on.
There's absolutely loads of them.
[00:11:17] Mark Westguard: n never heard of any of those.
[00:11:18] Nathan Wrigley: No. Exactly, exactly. I I think he's making it up, frankly. I think most of them are just things
[00:11:24] Mark Westguard: I secretly code in Puppet.
[00:11:26] Nathan Wrigley: just tapping on the keyboard like that and, oh yeah, we'll go with that. but you can, you can display all of those and, and the, the pro version I.
Now, this is why I think this is really nice. He really went in aggressive with the pricing. You know, he's very clearly a, a horrible human being that wants to, wants to gouge everybody because you can buy this lifetime for $12. you get all the languages for $12. That's early pricing. It says early user lifetime pricing, $12. So if that, you know, tickles your fancy. You can go and
[00:12:02] Mark Westguard: What's a nice price?
[00:12:03] Nathan Wrigley: too can be showing your bash script in the Andromeda theme if you want. And
[00:12:11] Mark Westguard: think that's brilliant.
[00:12:12] Nathan Wrigley: yeah, there you go. That's the nice
[00:12:13] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:12:14] Nathan Wrigley: the sort of Cody nice thing.
[00:12:15] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:12:16] Nathan Wrigley: I dunno if you, you, you've got nothing on the Cody nice thing this
[00:12:19] Mark Westguard: No, I don't know anything about code, so, no,
[00:12:22] Nathan Wrigley: I've noticed you've got. Plugin doesn't work.
[00:12:26] Mark Westguard: no, that's right.
[00:12:27] Nathan Wrigley: have said, we didn't mention your plugin. Mark comes from WS form.
[00:12:32] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah,
[00:12:33] Nathan Wrigley: if you're into getting
[00:12:34] Mark Westguard: I,
[00:12:35] Nathan Wrigley: on your WordPress website or indeed comments, 'cause he does that now.
[00:12:38] Mark Westguard: I do comments too. Yeah,
[00:12:39] Nathan Wrigley: him to to build a comment in
[00:12:42] Mark Westguard: we should have mentioned that, shouldn't we? No, I dunno.
[00:12:44] Nathan Wrigley: that.
[00:12:44] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:12:45] Nathan Wrigley: but ws form.com Go check it out.
[00:12:48] Mark Westguard: There you go.
[00:12:49] Nathan Wrigley: well thought through, plugin with brand new Styler. So
[00:12:53] Mark Westguard: Very nice style. Yeah. Which we went through last time, didn't we? Yeah.
[00:12:56] Nathan Wrigley: we did. Okay, let's go on to the next thing. This is community.
[00:12:59] Mark Westguard: Community. Yeah.
[00:13:00] Nathan Wrigley: outta things to say you've got two.
I've got two word pressy. Community. These things are,
[00:13:04] Mark Westguard: Yeah, I'll kick off shall I? With, the w WP World from Marcus Burnett. It's, the WP World, is the domain name, and if you're not a part of that, you should go there and sign up and, join the press's directory that he has on there. It's really cool, actually. So you can basically make yourself known as a WordPress by registering on that website.
and you can mark on there. Which WordPress events you've been to, which is cool. And, they have a word. It's, it's a really great source of WordPress events. So if you are, if you're looking for WordPress events to go to or take part in, then they, there's actually a full directory on there and it shows you which presses are going to those events, which is cool.
there's also a business directory on there as well, so if you're looking for a particular service, I know he does quite a lot of hosting companies. I think, there's a, a directory on there for that.
[00:13:57] Nathan Wrigley: there's a
[00:13:58] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:13:58] Nathan Wrigley: slew of jobs on there all the time, which at this
[00:14:00] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:14:02] Nathan Wrigley: the year, well, this particular year in particular,
[00:14:05] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:14:06] Nathan Wrigley: particulars can I ram into one sentence then? then that's really, and there's loads, he's, it's really, I dunno how he gets that information.
Either people send
[00:14:14] Mark Westguard: yeah. It's,
[00:14:15] Nathan Wrigley: for it,
[00:14:16] Mark Westguard: he spent a lot of time building that site and improving it all the time. So the WP World, check it out. It's cool. Yeah.
[00:14:23] Nathan Wrigley: World and shall I do one? And then you
[00:14:25] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Okay. Go for it.
[00:14:26] Nathan Wrigley: So in a blatant bid to, self-promote, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say something which I think is nice. And I'm involved. And
[00:14:36] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:14:37] Nathan Wrigley: you know, just a horrible misuse of this platform. But nevertheless, here we go. It's the Page Builder Summit. It's an event which I run with,
[00:14:45] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:14:46] Nathan Wrigley: I have done since, ooh, I wanna say 2020 maybe right at the
[00:14:52] Mark Westguard: Hmm.
[00:14:52] Nathan Wrigley: of Covid. I think we did the first one by pure
[00:14:54] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:14:55] Nathan Wrigley: and we're on version eight, and we're running it in May this year. And it's just turned out to be a real, honestly a nice collection of people.
[00:15:05] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:15:05] Nathan Wrigley: it, it started off basically all about page builders and the
[00:15:08] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:15:09] Nathan Wrigley: you, you would literally come and learn stuff about your page builder, but it's kind of spread out into kinda marketing,
[00:15:14] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[00:15:16] Nathan Wrigley: Those kind of things. And we get experts to come along and give us their 40 minute presentation and what have you. And so that's happening in May, page builder summit.com
[00:15:26] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:15:26] Nathan Wrigley: And then there's a, the bit that's nice about it, I think is the, there's a Facebook group which goes with it, so that kind of runs alongside
[00:15:33] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:15:34] Nathan Wrigley: little things like bingo and quizzes and things
[00:15:38] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:15:38] Nathan Wrigley: And I've just, I've made, I've made quite a lot of friends, from that event that I probably
[00:15:42] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:15:43] Nathan Wrigley: have known otherwise.
[00:15:44] Mark Westguard: yeah. Yeah. And you can sponsor it too, so,
[00:15:47] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, nice.
[00:15:49] Mark Westguard: if you want yeah, if you,
[00:15:50] Nathan Wrigley: that's right. Forward slash sponsors,
[00:15:52] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:15:53] Nathan Wrigley: if you wanna sponsor that. But you,
[00:15:54] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:15:54] Nathan Wrigley: another one, you've got another event.
Oh, you are going to this, aren't you, in a few weeks?
[00:15:58] Mark Westguard: Yeah, press comp, in Tempe in, April. So yeah, 23rd, the 26th. I'm,
[00:16:07] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.
[00:16:07] Mark Westguard: I'm hoping this, this will be out before them.
[00:16:09] Nathan Wrigley: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:10] Mark Westguard: so yeah, looking forward to it. Their description for their event is press comp is for engineers, entrepreneurs, artists, creators, and leaders of modern WordPress to level up, which I like. and looking at the attendee list, if you are going or if you are thinking about going and you should go, I.
Definitely think there'll be ways of leveling up. There's a really great and fun bunch of people go into that. Nice people go into that.
[00:16:33] Nathan Wrigley: Nice people. Yeah.
[00:16:34] Mark Westguard: nice people. Yeah.
[00:16:36] Nathan Wrigley: of people going, I remember.
[00:16:37] Mark Westguard: yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:16:41] Nathan Wrigley: Asia,
[00:16:42] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:16:42] Nathan Wrigley: went on a walk, which turned out to be more of a forced march, and
[00:16:47] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:16:47] Nathan Wrigley: a hilly experience. Too many, many people had fear of death on that walk. And Raquel. Who
[00:16:56] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:16:56] Nathan Wrigley: that event.
She
[00:16:57] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:16:58] Nathan Wrigley: walk and she was talking about how she was trying to think about, at that point, reviving what was called PressNomics, which
[00:17:05] Mark Westguard: Yes.
[00:17:05] Nathan Wrigley: went to. And, and it, it fee if, if I'm correct, I think press conf. It is exactly that. It's trying to revive the spirit and the nature of PressNomics.
[00:17:15] Mark Westguard: Yes.
[00:17:15] Nathan Wrigley: and so it's because it's outside of the sort of chapter
[00:17:19] Mark Westguard: I,
[00:17:20] Nathan Wrigley: for
[00:17:20] Mark Westguard: mm-hmm.
[00:17:21] Nathan Wrigley: constrained by the usual bits and pieces that a Word camp would be. So I think business is definitely on the agenda.
[00:17:28] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Miriam Schwab is one of the speakers actually, that we just spoke about. yeah. Tammy Lister, Amber Hines, mark Semanski is there as well. Kevin Geary. So it's gonna, and it is one track. So you just basically sit down and enjoy and there's some nice evening events as well and welcome events. So, and then they've got a VIP day at the end where I think they're doing golf and go-karting as two separate events.
So,
[00:17:53] Nathan Wrigley: can you do
[00:17:54] Mark Westguard: so it's good. Yes. So it's, yeah.
[00:17:55] Nathan Wrigley: the side
[00:17:56] Mark Westguard: You can go from the cart. Yes.
[00:17:58] Nathan Wrigley: and, smashing the golf ball. It'd be a bit like, what's that sport they do on horse? Oh, polo. That's
[00:18:03] Mark Westguard: Polo. Yeah.
[00:18:04] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, a bit like that in golf carts. okay.
[00:18:07] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Press cough. Yeah.
[00:18:09] Nathan Wrigley: think that's Press conf events if memory serves correctly.
That's
[00:18:12] Mark Westguard: That's correct. Yeah. Press comp events.
[00:18:15] Nathan Wrigley: we go. We'll put that into the show notes. Okay.
[00:18:17] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:17] Nathan Wrigley: second one. Then my second event is WP Accessibility Day.
[00:18:21] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm. Yes.
[00:18:22] Nathan Wrigley: Day does what it says on the tin. It enables people to get together and talk about all things accessibility in the WordPress space. I actually know that there's an event coming up. Not, not particularly soon, but not particularly far away either. but I can't summon up the dates and, I'm incapable of typing in URLs while I'm speaking. So, there you go. I'm gonna get Mark to do. Look, mark just, just jumped into action. That's brilliant. but I really, really appreciate the amount of time that people put into these events.
Especially for things like this. This is very different. You know, there's no sort of profit motive here. It's just about making life better for the people out there. And, go and check it out. WP Accessibility I think
[00:19:10] Mark Westguard: Yeah, that's correct.
[00:19:11] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. Okay.
[00:19:12] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:19:13] Nathan Wrigley: so that's the fourth one. So there we go. WP World Page Builder Summit Press Con from WP Accessibility Day.
[00:19:20] Mark Westguard: Yeah. There you go.
[00:19:21] Nathan Wrigley: Next thing was nice Internety thing. So anything internety and, you've, you've written something now that I've heard of, but I, I don't even know what these things do. It's ai of course.
[00:19:33] Mark Westguard: you know, I haven't had a chance to play around with a lot of these AI tools very much. I mean, I, I, obviously, I use like. floored AI and chat, GPT and stuff like that for, for things. But, Jamie Marsland, who has a fantastic YouTube channel, you check that out as well. Another nice person, was recently playing around with these tools and I just, you know, happened to take a look at one of 'em.
He was using a product called Lovable, L-O-V-A-B-L-E. And, I, I, I tried it and I just went in there and I just typed in. Redesign the WS form website 'cause it does need a redesign. But I, I just played with it and I was absolutely astounded by the, the output from this software not only designed it, but actually wrote code as well.
It wouldn't be code that I use 'cause it's not a language I'm very familiar with. But, but the, it, the code was very, very clean. The design was pretty good and it. It made me think, oh my goodness, I'm glad I'm not building websites 24 7 anymore. 'cause this is kind of scary.
[00:20:42] Nathan Wrigley: it for, is it sort of specifically for building like web,
[00:20:46] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:20:47] Nathan Wrigley: So rather than chat GBT, which is kind of trying to do everything,
[00:20:50] Mark Westguard: yeah, yeah.
[00:20:51] Nathan Wrigley: trying to build front
[00:20:53] Mark Westguard: I,
[00:20:53] Nathan Wrigley: interfaces and things like that
[00:20:55] Mark Westguard: yeah, I, I can confess I didn't go into it too much, but I, it, I. It read my entire website. It built an about us page. It built a testimonials page. It built, a pricing page. It built a homepage, it put, and then the only thing it didn't quite get right was the logo. So I uploaded my logo to it and I said, make sure this is the logo you use in the website.
And it resized it. Recolored it, and put it on every page on this site. And I was like, wow. And this is, I mean, this is early days really, isn't it? And we've, we've got,
[00:21:27] Nathan Wrigley: I, I
[00:21:28] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:21:28] Nathan Wrigley: I don't even understand that that's the bit that which puzzles me and actually terrifies me in equal measure.
[00:21:33] Mark Westguard: It is terrifying.
[00:21:35] Nathan Wrigley: massively impressed, but I'm also totally aghast by the, by, by the way, that we're sort of potentially walking blindfolded into the complete destruction of our entire industry.
[00:21:45] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:21:46] Nathan Wrigley: You know, I
[00:21:46] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:21:47] Nathan Wrigley: right if you're a chef. or a, or a brick layer or something like
[00:21:51] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:21:51] Nathan Wrigley: presumably they're gonna be safe. But the sort of, you know, the, the work which is done inside of our heads coding and things like that, I, I imagine, boy,
[00:22:00] Mark Westguard: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, but, but, you know, it was, it was impressive. I, I'll say that. And, and I didn't look into the code behind it too much to see if it was secure or whatever, or accessible, but the, on the face of it, the output of it was quite remarkable. We certainly didn't have that 10 years ago, so, yeah.
[00:22:18] Nathan Wrigley: sounds
[00:22:19] Mark Westguard: to see where it goes.
[00:22:20] Nathan Wrigley: See
[00:22:21] Mark Westguard: does sound, sounds lovable, but,
[00:22:23] Nathan Wrigley: The
[00:22:24] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:22:24] Nathan Wrigley: I will say is quite interestingly, that video that you saw with Jamie Marsland, I also watched it and then I got in touch with Joe Dolson.
[00:22:31] Mark Westguard: Uhhuh?
[00:22:32] Nathan Wrigley: if you know Joe. Joe is the person who, he's one of the leads for the WP Accessibility
[00:22:37] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:22:38] Nathan Wrigley: he's one of the.
The, the leads of the WP Accessibility Day
[00:22:42] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:22:42] Nathan Wrigley: him, he and I sat down and we, we, with Jamie's permission,
[00:22:46] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:22:47] Nathan Wrigley: through what Lovable had done from an accessibility point of view.
[00:22:50] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Nathan Wrigley: you can imagine, you know, it, it can't get everything right. And
[00:22:54] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:22:55] Nathan Wrigley: I'll link to that video in the show notes. It's on the WP
[00:22:58] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:22:59] Nathan Wrigley: If you, if you go and search around in the archives, you'll see the access, the, the gloriously titled. Accessibility show. if you go to those, you'll see there's one, I think it's episode five or six
[00:23:11] Mark Westguard: Okay.
[00:23:12] Nathan Wrigley: about this. It made the same mistakes that humans make, which is
[00:23:16] Mark Westguard: Ah,
[00:23:17] Nathan Wrigley: the
[00:23:18] Mark Westguard: interesting.
[00:23:19] Nathan Wrigley: it's sucking up is
[00:23:21] Mark Westguard: Exactly
[00:23:22] Nathan Wrigley: what
[00:23:23] Mark Westguard: from us. Yeah.
[00:23:25] Nathan Wrigley: So it
[00:23:26] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:23:26] Nathan Wrigley: wasn't breaking things in surprising new ways.
[00:23:29] Mark Westguard: Hmm.
[00:23:29] Nathan Wrigley: breaking
[00:23:30] Mark Westguard: Hmm.
[00:23:30] Nathan Wrigley: in, in predictable ways, and so it,
[00:23:33] Mark Westguard: Yep.
[00:23:33] Nathan Wrigley: it tried, it did a fairly good job in some respects. You know, it put certain things in, but then it didn't get everything quite right.
[00:23:39] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting.
[00:23:42] Nathan Wrigley: My thing, my nice internety thing is anything online, which means that I don't have to remember stuff. because I ever honest, this is such a bad admission since I was quite small, I think I realized that my memory was shockingly bad from about 16.
[00:24:04] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:24:04] Nathan Wrigley: I remember a friend of a really dear friend of mine at school. At that kind of age coming up to me and, and speaking to me about something. And then, and then I replied and she went, you have no memory about what we spoke about yesterday.
Have you? Because she was just reeling off all this stuff. And I was just nodding. And I said, no, none at all. And she went, that's awful. We spoke for ages about this and, and I realized that. I have this really big gaping hole for certain things you want me to tell you about the Battle of ot. I can do that until till, you know, till the end of the day.
I can tell you all about the Mongols. I can tell you tons of useless information.
[00:24:42] Mark Westguard: tell you this, but I've had the same conversation with you many times.
[00:24:45] Nathan Wrigley: are you even? I don't even understand why I'm
[00:24:49] Mark Westguard: I had to reintroduce myself at the beginning of this call.
[00:24:52] Nathan Wrigley: I don't even know. But, but so what I've tended to do is I've found ways throughout my adult life to, to offset that, offset that problem. And, and it was list making with bits of paper, which are
[00:25:03] Mark Westguard: Yep,
[00:25:03] Nathan Wrigley: on my person. And
[00:25:05] Mark Westguard: yep,
[00:25:05] Nathan Wrigley: it's the, it's, you know, the useful app.
So
[00:25:08] Mark Westguard: yep.
[00:25:09] Nathan Wrigley: might be notion or whatever, but the one that I've settled on, which is gonna make everybody cringe is Evernote.
[00:25:14] Mark Westguard: But it does the job, right?
[00:25:16] Nathan Wrigley: really does the job.
[00:25:17] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:25:18] Nathan Wrigley: none of this sort of super clever obsidian, connect all the nodes and, you know, make this spider diagram that you'll
[00:25:24] Mark Westguard: Yep. Yeah.
[00:25:25] Nathan Wrigley: at ever again.
For me, I just wanna write something down,
[00:25:28] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:25:28] Nathan Wrigley: it, stick a
[00:25:29] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:25:29] Nathan Wrigley: so that it'll remind me about it.
[00:25:32] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:25:32] Nathan Wrigley: done.
[00:25:33] Mark Westguard: See, I'm more primitive than that. I, I'm still sheets of paper, but I,
[00:25:39] Nathan Wrigley: up bits of paper. Okay, mark,
[00:25:40] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:25:41] Nathan Wrigley: I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat you.
[00:25:42] Mark Westguard: Good on,
[00:25:43] Nathan Wrigley: have one bit of paper, I have, I have the entire pad of paper at my disposal
[00:25:49] Mark Westguard: they still sell pads of paper?
[00:25:50] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, this is an A four. This, it was like an oh oh. Just there, because I know how much paper I go through. I have an entire box. It's like I've got like 4,000 sheets of paper down there or something. And and that was probably because one day I forgot to buy paper so I
[00:26:08] Mark Westguard: It's
[00:26:09] Nathan Wrigley: buy all the paper so that
[00:26:10] Mark Westguard: pen and paper's. Still a great way of remembering things.
[00:26:13] Nathan Wrigley: the best way of doing
[00:26:14] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:26:15] Nathan Wrigley: is. And to me there is definitely a connection between the motion of my fingers and the capacity to remember.
[00:26:23] Mark Westguard: Oh,
[00:26:23] Nathan Wrigley: I
[00:26:23] Mark Westguard: interesting.
[00:26:23] Nathan Wrigley: it
[00:26:24] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:26:24] Nathan Wrigley: and I go through the process of, you know, committing it and thinking about writing it, then then I remember it. And I find this is weird as well.
I find it, if I write it neatly and ponder about it,
[00:26:36] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:26:37] Nathan Wrigley: in even
[00:26:37] Mark Westguard: Goes in more.
[00:26:38] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah,
[00:26:39] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:26:40] Nathan Wrigley: so
[00:26:40] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:26:41] Nathan Wrigley: it is,
[00:26:41] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:26:42] Nathan Wrigley: don't remember anything by typing it in, but the beauty of typing in is that it remembers itself
[00:26:49] Mark Westguard: see, I try putting stuff in my calendar, for example, and it'll pop up on my phone and I'll just hit stop and, and then I forget that it's popped up.
[00:26:56] Nathan Wrigley: a whole system of like, you need a whole system of like importance, don't you? Like
[00:27:01] Mark Westguard: Yeah. If I've got the paper in front of me, it's there.
[00:27:03] Nathan Wrigley: how do you, how do you do that when you get, when you get calendar invites and things like they're not calendar invites, but you put things in your own calendar.
How do you know what's important? I've gone. To this, this is what I've ended up doing. I write important in capital letters before the title, you know, it says important, but then even that started to use utility. So I then added asterisk before the word important, and
[00:27:27] Mark Westguard: And then underscores.
[00:27:28] Nathan Wrigley: is, is indicative of fact.
So if it's got five asterisk followed by the word important, then I know it's like as soon as my eyes catch sight that it's like you have to actually read it.
[00:27:39] Mark Westguard: You see nothing but asterisk. That's, that's it. That's just something I've, something I've gotta do.
[00:27:46] Nathan Wrigley: Anyway. There you go. So that's my, that's my one Internety thing. The
[00:27:50] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:27:51] Nathan Wrigley: thing,
[00:27:51] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:27:52] Nathan Wrigley: brand new, is something called Skylight Social.
[00:27:56] Mark Westguard: yeah. I,
[00:27:57] Nathan Wrigley: if you like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk like the Utes,
[00:28:00] Mark Westguard: alright.
[00:28:01] Nathan Wrigley: the tiktoks mark. gonna sound like an old man. If you like the TikTok. then this is a, a more federated approach. So. TikTok, obviously, you know, everybody has used that except me. I literally never have, but I know it's enormously popular. but there's people who have concerns about that, you know, the
[00:28:22] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:28:23] Nathan Wrigley: and obviously it may, well, if you're a US citizen, it may at some point in the near future just disappear.
[00:28:27] Mark Westguard: Disappear. Yeah.
[00:28:29] Nathan Wrigley: So Skylight social. Is the enterprise of, I believe, one lady
[00:28:36] Mark Westguard: Hmm. Mm-hmm.
[00:28:37] Nathan Wrigley: top of the AT which is what runs Blue Sky. So
[00:28:43] Mark Westguard: right.
[00:28:44] Nathan Wrigley: is sitting on top of a, what, hopefully in the future will be a decentralized but's, already a federated protocol.
[00:28:50] Mark Westguard: Yep.
[00:28:51] Nathan Wrigley: and it's totally free. I dunno how
[00:28:54] Mark Westguard: Interesting,
[00:28:55] Nathan Wrigley: model will work, but there's no algorithm. To game your attention. I, I
[00:28:59] Mark Westguard: right?
[00:28:59] Nathan Wrigley: if it just comes in chronologically or what, but
[00:29:01] Mark Westguard: Yep.
[00:29:02] Nathan Wrigley: the lady who's running it seems to have all the right incentives.
You watch the videos and she just seems like a, a wonderful per well, a nice person,
[00:29:10] Mark Westguard: A nice person. I'll have to look. I'll have to take a look at that. Yeah.
[00:29:13] Nathan Wrigley: Okay, so there we go.
[00:29:14] Mark Westguard: Cool.
[00:29:15] Nathan Wrigley: internety things now. Nice. Real world things. So step away from the computer. Mark. What do you
[00:29:20] Mark Westguard: Move away.
[00:29:21] Nathan Wrigley: real world? Yeah.
[00:29:22] Mark Westguard: well, I don't do this as often as I should, but I, I, I just love getting outside into the countryside. I dunno about you, Nathan, but it's, we spend way too much time on our computers and our electrical devices. And when I, when I thought about this one, it reminded me of a story that I have with you and we were at Word Camp.
Europe in Turing or Torino as as they called it. And we had gone to an event hosted by Groundhog, with, with Adrian, and he very kindly took us to a vineyard and, we got to learn about wine and there was some rather strange looking, toys there, which we took photos of.
[00:30:07] Nathan Wrigley: gosh. I have all the photos. Oh, it was, gosh, that was so bizarre,
[00:30:12] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:30:12] Nathan Wrigley: it? Imagine
[00:30:13] Mark Westguard: a little bit hard to describe really. But
[00:30:15] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.
[00:30:16] Mark Westguard: the gentleman that owned the vineyard collected old toys and there was a room full of 'em, and some of them were a little bit worse for wear. And there were, there were some, some dolls with eyes looking in Funny direct. Anyway.
[00:30:28] Nathan Wrigley: me, let me write that down on my
[00:30:30] Mark Westguard: Yeah, add that to your pad
[00:30:31] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.
[00:30:32] Mark Westguard: we'll put that here.
But anyway, after that very delightful event, we had to get to an event for Bob, Bob, WP, Bob Dun. And he was hosting an, an event with a, another couple of chaps, about, it was about a new show, wasn't it, Nathan?
[00:30:49] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, they were
was launching a new show with a, with a couple of people from Codeable,
[00:30:53] Mark Westguard: right.
[00:30:54] Nathan Wrigley: and somebody
[00:30:55] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:30:56] Nathan Wrigley: you see,
[00:30:56] Mark Westguard: So we, so we had to get to this event at a castle and, we, we left the vineyard thinking, oh, we'll just get an Uber.
And then realized there was no cell phone signal at all. And we were several miles away from this castle, and we decided to walk through the countryside to get there. And, what a walk it was. It was absolutely beautiful When we were walking through the vineyards in Italy. you, me and my, and my friend Jeff, just three, three lads, having a, a nice stroll and it was, it was beautiful.
And, and, and that, that moment reminded me I needed to get out more.
[00:31:32] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Honestly, that was such a nice thing. I mean, I am
[00:31:36] Mark Westguard: it was,
[00:31:37] Nathan Wrigley: by the dolls that
[00:31:38] Mark Westguard: I,
[00:31:38] Nathan Wrigley: that place, the the Groundhog place. but first of all, that was a nice event, but that walk was so profoundly beautiful. It was a lovely hot day. We were
[00:31:48] Mark Westguard: it was, it was,
[00:31:48] Nathan Wrigley: countryside. We
[00:31:50] Mark Westguard: yep.
[00:31:50] Nathan Wrigley: tons of time to waste.
We were just shooting the breeze and it.
[00:31:54] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:31:55] Nathan Wrigley: and I
[00:31:56] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:31:56] Nathan Wrigley: got a, I completely got a change of clothes didn't I, as
[00:31:59] Mark Westguard: you did.
[00:32:00] Nathan Wrigley: point.
[00:32:00] Mark Westguard: Halfway along. You just went, hang on a minute. I'm gonna get into some shorts.
[00:32:04] Nathan Wrigley: park mark if you're gonna go for a walk in the Italian countryside.
[00:32:08] Mark Westguard: had to get your rambling gear on.
[00:32:09] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, I am a big proponent of this. I am very lucky in that outside of that window
[00:32:15] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:32:16] Nathan Wrigley: is the North New York Moores National Park.
And, and so
[00:32:20] Mark Westguard: There you go.
[00:32:20] Nathan Wrigley: walk
[00:32:21] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:32:21] Nathan Wrigley: beautiful scenery within 10 seconds of
[00:32:25] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:32:26] Nathan Wrigley: front door. And I, I do that. A lot.
[00:32:29] Mark Westguard: Hmm.
[00:32:30] Nathan Wrigley: last year I got myself an ex, not an exercise bike. I got myself a, an electric bike
[00:32:34] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:32:35] Nathan Wrigley: been making use of that, so, ah,
[00:32:37] Mark Westguard: I.
[00:32:38] Nathan Wrigley: Get out in the
[00:32:38] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:32:39] Nathan Wrigley: more.
That's the,
[00:32:40] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Turn this off and get outside.
[00:32:42] Nathan Wrigley: yeah. Right. See you later, mate. I'll, be, we'll, we'll finish this another week. my turn.
[00:32:48] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:32:49] Nathan Wrigley: this is a bit sad. My thing, and it won't be the same if you ask me this in a week's time. It won't be this, but right now my real world thing, which is really nice, is wait for it. saving.
[00:33:01] Mark Westguard: Oh, yeah.
[00:33:02] Nathan Wrigley: saving, I don't think you have this in all parts of the world, but daylight saving is this thing where twice a year the clocks move forward. It's always on a Sunday. basically they try to align it with midnight so everybody's asleep and the clocks either move forward.
Or backwards by one hour. So if they move forwards, it would go from one in the morning. I think they do it at one in the morning. So it goes from one to
[00:33:25] Mark Westguard: that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:33:27] Nathan Wrigley: it goes from one to midnight.
[00:33:29] Mark Westguard: Midnight, right?
[00:33:31] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Something like that.
[00:33:32] Mark Westguard: So like that.
[00:33:33] Nathan Wrigley: point, the point is if it goes it in the wintertime, it goes in the depressing direction and it goes more bleak in the
[00:33:41] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:33:42] Nathan Wrigley: you get more darkness at the time of
[00:33:44] Mark Westguard: but don't you get an extra hour of sleep if you're waking up at a certain time?
[00:33:47] Nathan Wrigley: a,
[00:33:48] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:33:48] Nathan Wrigley: just a one time thing. And
[00:33:50] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:33:50] Nathan Wrigley: this misery every day of basic darkness.
[00:33:54] Mark Westguard: Darkness. Yeah.
[00:33:54] Nathan Wrigley: in the summer, just
[00:33:56] Mark Westguard: I.
[00:33:56] Nathan Wrigley: just a couple of weeks ago, it's gone in the other direction.
And so you get up in the morning and it just feels great. But also the evening stretch right out, that's the big thing. The evenings
[00:34:06] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:34:06] Nathan Wrigley: getting dark to really, light in the evenings. And if you're a North American, you probably haven't realized this, the UK is really far north.
[00:34:17] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:34:17] Nathan Wrigley: to get the UK and drag it across, it would be like in the middle of Canada,
[00:34:23] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:34:24] Nathan Wrigley: the middle of Canada from the bottom to the top.
So from north to south, you know, it's, it's really far north, but we have the
[00:34:29] Mark Westguard: It is.
[00:34:30] Nathan Wrigley: we don't get freezing cold.
[00:34:31] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:34:32] Nathan Wrigley: But that does mean that in the winter here. We get, I don't know, very little daylight, maybe by in the evening. In the afternoon
[00:34:42] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:34:42] Nathan Wrigley: getting dark and by three 30 it is dark,
[00:34:45] Mark Westguard: Yep.
[00:34:45] Nathan Wrigley: sun won't come up until late in the morning.
So you maybe get five, six something hours. But then in the summer it's light at 11 at night
[00:34:53] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:34:54] Nathan Wrigley: at like four in the morning or something. So
[00:34:56] Mark Westguard: Yeah. I used to live in Scotland many, many years ago,
[00:35:00] Nathan Wrigley: Even
[00:35:00] Mark Westguard: and I, I would barely see the sun. It was, it would just pop up over the sea and then by three, four o'clock it's gone. It's, it's nighttime again.
[00:35:08] Nathan Wrigley: in the summer, you can't get away from it. It's
[00:35:11] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:35:11] Nathan Wrigley: day every day.
[00:35:12] Mark Westguard: All day. It's just light the whole time. All time. Yeah. It's interesting when you fly, 'cause I'm, I'm flying my family back over to see family in, I think July.
But, yeah, when we go over the jet lag is real and it's, it's not so much the time, it's just the, the sun is up, for, for a very long time.
[00:35:31] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.
[00:35:32] Mark Westguard: and we are a lot further south than, than that now. But, yeah.
[00:35:36] Nathan Wrigley: really near the equator, like I spent some time near the equator. What's curious there is like, they don't get winter for a start, you know? They
[00:35:43] Mark Westguard: No seasons. Yeah,
[00:35:44] Nathan Wrigley: They don't do the
[00:35:45] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:35:45] Nathan Wrigley: thing. They just get hot and
[00:35:46] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:35:47] Nathan Wrigley: sorry, wet, dry or, you know, that kind of
[00:35:50] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:35:50] Nathan Wrigley: But, but their, their days are more or less 12 hours, six o'clock till
[00:35:53] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:35:53] Nathan Wrigley: o'clock every day, which is. Kind of interesting.
[00:35:56] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:35:57] Nathan Wrigley: we go. Daylight Saving
[00:35:58] Mark Westguard: There you go. That's a nice thing.
[00:36:00] Nathan Wrigley: Okay, now I'm gonna tell you, I'm I've, the next one was, I find a short video, basically something that
[00:36:05] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:36:06] Nathan Wrigley: your fantasy, made you feel that the world was nice.
I don't know if this makes me feel like the world was nice. In some ways it makes me feel the world is a horrid place because this can happen. I'm gonna put the link in
[00:36:16] Mark Westguard: But it is hilarious.
[00:36:17] Nathan Wrigley: It is hilarious. It's about at nine seconds long, this video, so it's really not gonna gouge out the rest of your day.
I am not responsible for the next nine hours that you spend on TikTok, though. I'm just giving you the first nine seconds. The rest is up to you, but this is, it's just a courtyard film on somebody's mobile phone and a lady walks into view and suddenly an enormous. Like massive tank, like not the tank that you drive around in battle.
I mean like a huge sort of
[00:36:48] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Like a
[00:36:49] Nathan Wrigley: might
[00:36:49] Mark Westguard: water tank or something? Yeah.
[00:36:51] Nathan Wrigley: it's massive. It's about six feet wide and about, I don't know, 10 feet tall. It just falls out the sky on top of her, which sounds hysterical. And also also like, you know, she's dead. Of course, no, as luck would have it, this tank has no bottom attached to it, and it falls directly on top of her. And then there it is. And then she just pokes her head out the top as if to say, oh, that was, you know, that's what you expect on a Wednesday. You
[00:37:17] Mark Westguard: It's like an old 1930s black and white movie, isn't it? Where the, the house falls on top of them and it
[00:37:24] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah.
[00:37:25] Mark Westguard: their head just pops up.
[00:37:26] Nathan Wrigley: aligns
[00:37:26] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:37:27] Nathan Wrigley: standing there. Yeah. It's your typical Wednesday afternoon tank falling thing that we've all been through at various times. Anyway, watch it and just this bloke kind of comes out the woodwork and just sort of stares and, and instead of asking her how she is, he just looks up at
[00:37:43] Mark Westguard: For the sky.
[00:37:44] Nathan Wrigley: if to say, where, where did that, and honestly, that's what I wanna know out of this video.
That is my lasting question is. Where did
[00:37:52] Mark Westguard: Where did this come from?
[00:37:53] Nathan Wrigley: where did it come from? I just, I mean, I was thinking did it fall out of a plane or something? I don't even know. Anyway, she was completely fine. Apparently.
[00:38:01] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:38:02] Nathan Wrigley: So there we go. That was the nice video. Watch it and enjoy, but prepared to be freaked out at the same time.
Okay. We're onto the last little section. nice news and you've got a
[00:38:12] Mark Westguard: Oh
[00:38:13] Nathan Wrigley: the, you are, this is so heartwarming. This is lovely.
[00:38:16] Mark Westguard: yeah. This, this story is about, a, a boy, or I guess he's a, a young man who came to the UK and, he wanted to go on a, a boat trip and. So I believe it was on the Thames. Was it?
[00:38:33] Nathan Wrigley: It was, it was on the
[00:38:34] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah. So he went, he went to the Thames, wanted to go on a boat trip, I'm presuming he already booked the trip and he got onto a boat.
And so off this boat goes with a lot of merry people. And then he suddenly realized he's on the wrong boat trip with a bunch of self end supporters going to watch a football game.
[00:38:52] Nathan Wrigley: So he's anticipating getting on like the tourist boat. So in, in
[00:38:57] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:38:58] Nathan Wrigley: tourist boats and they, they more up, you know, two minutes on the dock and then they're off and they just
[00:39:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:39:03] Nathan Wrigley: and you can hop on and hop off. He was kind of assuming he was getting on one of those,
[00:39:07] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:39:07] Nathan Wrigley: he'd got on a private charter boat full of football fans whose, whose intention was to get as drunk as
[00:39:13] Mark Westguard: Drunk as I could. Yeah.
[00:39:14] Nathan Wrigley: And then go and watch the football game. Now that. quarters would be some people's idea of an absolute nightmare. it sounds like he just said to himself,
[00:39:26] Mark Westguard: He absolutely, he embraced it and the, and the guys on the boat absolutely loved him. He's now a South End fan and he plans on going to the next South End match,
[00:39:40] Nathan Wrigley: Isn't that
[00:39:40] Mark Westguard: so
[00:39:41] Nathan Wrigley: So it's in the afternoon, I'm guessing, something like that. And they're
[00:39:44] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:39:44] Nathan Wrigley: ' cause they've had a few beers and, and you know, somebody got wind that this unfortunate thing had happened to him, but they can't just sort of knock dock and put him off the boat. So somebody went to find out if he was all right 'cause he's, he's, he's not old, you know, he's still, like you said, he's kind of on the borderline of being an adult and a child.
I think he was just 18 or something.
[00:40:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:40:02] Nathan Wrigley: somebody went to see how he was and he was there having a right old dance on the dance. Floor mid-afternoon, just getting stuck in, and I
[00:40:10] Mark Westguard: I wonder how long it took him to realize.
[00:40:12] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, that's, that's right. Yeah. Maybe he, maybe he thought, this is what you do
[00:40:17] Mark Westguard: This is what the Brits do.
[00:40:19] Nathan Wrigley: you
[00:40:19] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:40:19] Nathan Wrigley: a few beers, get on the dance floor, wait till you arrive, and then off you go.
You just
[00:40:25] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:40:25] Nathan Wrigley: your normal life.
[00:40:26] Mark Westguard: What a fun story.
[00:40:27] Nathan Wrigley: a fun story. I love it. And then I've got my last one,
[00:40:30] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:40:31] Nathan Wrigley: I, I dunno whether this is good or bad. I, I'm not sure I like
[00:40:34] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:40:34] Nathan Wrigley: it's, I think it's quite an interesting and nice idea. obviously over human, well, not human history, over the history of the planet, many forms of life have come into existence and then become extinct. And there's this company called Colossal, which is such a sort of, I don't know, very masculine kind of name. I think they're called colossal something or other, but they, they've made it their mission. To bring back the wooly mammoth, in,
[00:41:02] Mark Westguard: A colossal animal.
[00:41:03] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, indeed. Yeah, exactly. By the year 2030, something like that.
And they're,
[00:41:09] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:41:09] Nathan Wrigley: on track to do it. And one of the metrics of being on track is to have this list of animals. up to the
[00:41:17] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:41:18] Nathan Wrigley: that they can prove our technology, our gene editing, splicing, I dunno what the word is, that they can do this. And so they have bought back something called the dire wolf. Which is quite cute, but also I imagine if it was, you know, me trapped in a small telephone booth of the dire wolf,
[00:41:38] Mark Westguard: Probably wouldn't last very long.
[00:41:39] Nathan Wrigley: I don't like the chances of getting out of that, but it looked quite cute when it was small. But
[00:41:45] Mark Westguard: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:41:45] Nathan Wrigley: they've managed to bring back three wolves and I can't remember the date, but I think they went extinct about 10. years ago or something
[00:41:54] Mark Westguard: Oh
[00:41:55] Nathan Wrigley: it's, you know, it's,
[00:41:56] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:41:56] Nathan Wrigley: like last Wednesday,
[00:41:58] Mark Westguard: Right.
[00:41:59] Nathan Wrigley: accidentally, you know, pushed the last di wolf off a cliff or something. This thing's been gone for a while. But then, so there's that, there's the ethical questions about, is that a good idea, blah, blah,
[00:42:09] Mark Westguard: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[00:42:10] Nathan Wrigley: then the BBC had an article on a link to both, there's, there's one
[00:42:14] Mark Westguard: Yeah,
[00:42:14] Nathan Wrigley: about the story about them doing it. And then there's one on the
[00:42:16] Mark Westguard: yeah.
[00:42:17] Nathan Wrigley: about them, whether or not this is even legitimate because. We
[00:42:21] Mark Westguard: Right,
[00:42:22] Nathan Wrigley: the DNA for the dire wolf.
[00:42:24] Mark Westguard: right.
[00:42:24] Nathan Wrigley: company are just kind of manufacturing, kind of
[00:42:27] Mark Westguard: Mm-hmm.
[00:42:28] Nathan Wrigley: fit, fitting in the gaps and
[00:42:30] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:42:31] Nathan Wrigley: from other creatures and
[00:42:32] Mark Westguard: With frog, DNA.
[00:42:33] Nathan Wrigley: yet a bit of frog DNA.
That's right. Bit of, bit of Velociraptor thrown
[00:42:37] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:42:38] Nathan Wrigley: for good measure. What can possibly go wrong? They're gonna put
[00:42:40] Mark Westguard: No.
[00:42:40] Nathan Wrigley: island with rides and
[00:42:42] Mark Westguard: They're all gonna turn.
[00:42:43] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Everything's gonna be fine. I think they're gonna make a movie out of it.
[00:42:47] Mark Westguard: yeah,
[00:42:48] Nathan Wrigley: but that's making the point that maybe it's not even. you know, it's just
[00:42:52] Mark Westguard: yeah, yeah. Not, not exactly a clone.
[00:42:55] Nathan Wrigley: no, but still,
[00:42:56] Mark Westguard: I wonder why. I wonder why they're doing this. I wonder
[00:43:00] Nathan Wrigley: to get to the mammoth. I think that's all it is. It's
[00:43:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:43:03] Nathan Wrigley: yeah,
[00:43:03] Mark Westguard: It's.
[00:43:03] Nathan Wrigley: I mean, I think it's, we imagine it's just a stand next to a mammoth and go, look, we did that. That
[00:43:10] Mark Westguard: it cost us 3 billion, but we've done it.
[00:43:12] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I, I think the, the, I heard a podcast with the guys from this company and,
[00:43:17] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:43:18] Nathan Wrigley: and I, I wasn't entirely aligned with his ethical stance,
[00:43:21] Mark Westguard: Right.
[00:43:22] Nathan Wrigley: making the point that there's so many spinoff things that come out of, that come out of their technology.
So it's the things that they're discovering
[00:43:32] Mark Westguard: Things that could help us.
[00:43:34] Nathan Wrigley: basically things that can. Can make sure that we ourselves don't become extinct, because of viruses
[00:43:40] Mark Westguard: Well, could you, we, could you imagine this show with just two of us?
[00:43:44] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, oh yeah. Not, not good. Not good.
[00:43:49] Mark Westguard: No.
[00:43:50] Nathan Wrigley: I dunno whether that's nice or not, but that's the one that I decided to end with.
So, Well, they're nice and fluffy, aren't they? So,
they were, that
[00:43:57] Mark Westguard: you know.
[00:43:58] Nathan Wrigley: that I thought was nice. They were, they were
[00:43:59] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:44:00] Nathan Wrigley: Very
[00:44:01] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:44:01] Nathan Wrigley: would only take
[00:44:02] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:44:02] Nathan Wrigley: or two fingers. It wouldn't be, wouldn't be the end of the world. You've still got the
[00:44:09] Mark Westguard: Superb.
[00:44:10] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Yeah. And on that, on
[00:44:12] Mark Westguard: Not that, yeah,
[00:44:13] Nathan Wrigley: We'll, yeah. Fingers missing. We'll say, we're gonna wrap it up. That was the nice show. Very
[00:44:18] Mark Westguard: was it.
[00:44:19] Nathan Wrigley: in there. Dear listener. I'm sorry about
[00:44:21] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:44:21] Nathan Wrigley: blaming it all on Mark.
[00:44:22] Mark Westguard: Well, it's fairly front loaded with, with some WordPress stuff, so you know.
[00:44:26] Nathan Wrigley: WordPress in there, wasn't there?
[00:44:27] Mark Westguard: But it has a, a larger audience. This one, I mean, this is like a mega show.
[00:44:31] Nathan Wrigley: Millions. I
[00:44:32] Mark Westguard: Yeah.
[00:44:32] Nathan Wrigley: show is gonna rival Joe Rogans in its time.
[00:44:37] Mark Westguard: it.
[00:44:38] Nathan Wrigley: and on that other bombshell, let's knock it on the head and say,
[00:44:41] Mark Westguard: Yep.
[00:44:42] Nathan Wrigley: Guard from WS form.
[00:44:43] Mark Westguard: I,
[00:44:43] Nathan Wrigley: for chatting to me. That was, that was what, shall I say, that was nice.
[00:44:47] Mark Westguard: yeah, it was nice. Thank you, Nathan. Thanks for talking to me.
[00:44:51] Nathan Wrigley: Okay, that's all we've got time for today. I hope that you enjoyed that. If you did, head over to wpbuilds.com. Search for episode number four one seven, four hundred and seventeen, and leave us a comment there. We would really appreciate it.
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The only thing I've got to do now is say adieu. Thank you very much, Mark Westguard for making me feel entirely happy during the course of that recording.
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